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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. Diannaa (talk) 23:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Bondeli[edit]

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Delete: insufficiently notable salonist. Quis separabit? 02:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC) -- Nomination withdrawn by nominator upon reconsideration and in light of SNOW. Quis separabit? 20:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While the stub is unreferenced, a Google Book search ([1]) shows a number of potential sources. I don't speak German, but I'd like to hear comments on [2] and [3]. A number of books seem to contain brief biography notes ("Julie von Bondeli (1732–1778)...") but again we need a German speaker to verify that. Still, seems to me like there's enough out there to make her notable. She has a VIAF entry, for what it counts ([4]). This ([5]) en source describes her as "Susanna Julie Bondeli (1732-1778), the most prominent woman of the Bern enlightenment, a descendant of Charlemagne". --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are all "descendants of Charlemagne" notable? I may be one myself. Quis separabit? 03:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable writer, but the article needs much work. Her letters were edited in 1930 and again in 2012, on which occasion her life was the subject of a thorough article in the NZZ, Switzerland's leading quality newspaper, and her life was fictionalized in a 2004 novel, Tells Tochter, itself reviewed by leading media including the NZZ, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and the Weltwoche ([6]). There's a reasonably comprehensive biography in the Historical Dictionary of Switzerland, which characterizes her as "an outstanding representative of the Enlightenment's culture of letters", and she was covered in biographical dictionaries even in the 19th century, such as in the 1876 Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie, which describes her as "one of the most outstanding [18th ct.] female figures ... with significant influence on the development of literature". Sandstein 17:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hope one of you can improve the article by at least half as much as you claim you can. Right now the article is a unsourced turd stub. If you can improve it I will withdraw the nom. I can't because frankly I am out of my depth on this one. Quis separabit? 21:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfD is not cleanup. Somebody will eventually get around to it, much like other subpar articles. Sandstein 21:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Sandstein.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep , she was a notable hostess of an intellectual salon. The articles on German and French language Wikipedia demonstrate that the article need to be developed rather than deleted. --Aciram (talk) 21:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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