The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. And salt. All keep !votes are either socks or were conditional on the article being re-done from ground up. Such can be requested by legit editors at WP:DELREV if sufficient sources arise. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:00, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

KJIVA[edit]

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Delete and blacklist: This article has no reliable independent sources showing the artist's impact in the music industry. I initiated a deep research background check and found NO reliable sources mentioning or talking about the subject. In fact, all I found was music profiles created by the artist or a subject close to the artist. As a result, this article needs to be deleted as it does not meet the guidelines for notable musicians. If subject is reading this, or someone close to the subject, read the following guidelines for notable musicians: Wikipedia:Notability_(music) Bottom line: This is a neatly written article, however, it's written on a subject that has NO notability or any reliable sources, he managed to hoax Wiki editors. There is also no evidence whatsoever that DJ Mustard collaborated with the subject. VEVO is not a reliable source as anyone can make an account and add whatever title in the videos. This is all a hoax, but a good one. —Scorpion293 | talk 20:15, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: User:ATS Please help us with this user who is hoaxing Wikipedia. Can you identify any reliable sources? Scorpion293 | talk 00:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep only if improved. Our guidelines are clear: whether the subject is notable is irrelevant if the article itself fails to establish notability. At present, this relies on press releases and trade websites; if GNG cannot be met, it should be deleted. —ATS 🖖 talk 02:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: User:ATS Thanks for your output! Scorpion293 (talk) 05:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep. User:Scorpion293 this user is exploiting wikipedia policy he has added WP:AfD manually on this article without tool & proper reason. This user don't know much more about Wikipedia:Notability_(music) this page is categories under WP:COMPOSER which is non performing personnel. secondly he is writer so don't consider it as only musician. I think this user -User:Scorpion293 is against this artist or may be his haters so he done same processes for his another pages like Murder: The Gangster Rhymes, United Naxal Records, Me n Mah Beat. This has manually remove important citation links from page and add WP:AfD over it without proper explanation. so i request block this user permanently. Ligard39 ^{(Talk2Me|Contribs)} 07:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC) — Ligard39 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Striking sockpuppet contributions per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nileshjambhulkar. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'Comment Here we go again. This is the third time we nominate Kjiva for deletion because of no reliable sources, not one. And just like last time, there are sockpuppet accounts used to disrupt the AfD process, instead of providing a clean discussion. All his sockpuppet accounts are up for deletion, as those accounts have copied and pasted admin banstars from admin user pages, in order to deceive. Check his other sockpuppet account for more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Rockwalla39 I think this article is worthy of speedy deletion. 'Scorpion293 | talk 06:04, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment" Hi Ligard39, I have nothing against any musician. I'm trying to eliminate spam from Wikipedia, that is all I am doing. The articles created for the subject KJIVA has NO reliable sources, aside from store links. There isn't any news articles talking about the subject or brief mentions. I tagged all pages that have no sources listed in the references, as they should all be deleted. Also, having a book on Amazon does not mean the book should be worthy enough of article space. There isn't any news coverage of the book, let alone the subject. One word: Speedy deletion. Will tag more investigators to look into this further. Scorpion293 (talk) 04:40, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment" Hi User:David_Eppstein, you deleted the following article Kjiva, is this the same subject you deleted? If so, what was the reason why the previous article was deleted? Also, can you please help with the investigation, as there are clearly no news coverage or reliable sources covering this subject. All there is are user profiles and store links. Thanks! Scorpion293 | talk 04:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update: May I add that this article was deleted not too long ago for having no reliable sources. Additionally, if you were to look at the discussion, administrators crossed out sockpuppet accounts that tried to disrupt the AfD process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kjiva. Moreover, one of the users attempting to sway the AfD process, tied to the subject, is being nominated for deletion as the user tried to falsely add banstars and administrative logos in its userpage for deceptive reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Rockwalla39 Just wanted to document this. Scorpion293 | talk 05:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hi User:Adog104, can you please help out with this investigation? No news coverage or reliable sources listed in this article or others pertaining to the artist's material. Furthermore, the subject's article was already deleted twice before, and sockpuppet accounts were used to try and sway the AfD process: Kjiva. Thanks! Scorpion293 | talk 05:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2016 December 28. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 05:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article is on the same subject as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kjiva, which closed as "delete" last September after many of the "keep" comments there were found to have been from sockpuppets. The article was created again a week or so afterwards, and I deleted it per WP:CSD#G4 (speedy delete for re-creation of a deleted article) and protected it against repeated re-creation. It seems to have been re-created again, almost immediately, under the present title. However, the current article is significantly longer than the deleted ones, enough that I think G4 no longer applies. I have no personal opinion on the notability of the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) In my opinion, I don't see coverage for this musician to pass WP:GNG, however I wish to not participate in this discussion. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 06:28, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Keep per User:ATS BCD 09:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gear126 (talk • contribs) [reply]

Comment I find a "conditional keep" !vote rather confusing. If I correctly understand what you and ATS mean, then your !vote is actually "delete unless good sources are found". --Randykitty (talk) 11:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Gear126 has been blocked as a sockpuppet per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BuickCenturyDriver. Confusingly, I think that's a different nest of sockpuppets than the Kjiva ones. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:49, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt. The article has a ridiculous 66 "references", many to things like MusicBrainz or CrunchBase. I have not gone through all 66, but perusal of a selection of them does not reveal anything substantial. There are several articles related to KJIVA, none of which seem to have any reliable sourcing. Their AfDs are mostly incorrectly formatted (and not properly transcluded), so I'll wait for the bot to fix them before !voting there. --Randykitty (talk) 11:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Many references here and most--if not all--are user generated. Things that may appear to be third party coverage are, in fact, from a publishing/promotion company created and controlled by the subject. I see no evidence of a significant amount of independent third party coverage that could verify that this subject is notable. ShelbyMarion (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. Unable to locate reliable secondary sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:22, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources. Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this article is categories in non performing musician it pass WP:COMPOSER please check point no 6 he is composer, record producer & lyricists (song writer) . before putting any deletion comment please check all references mention in article that is much sufficient. If this article is deleted means there is partiality with this artist because there are so many articles like this which is still exist in wikipedia for example: G-Enka, Gone Thursday, Jun Sasaki, Tomohiko Kira, Claes Björklund, Sébastien Schuller, Hideo Yamaki, Adam Perry (drummer), Dan Wilde, Ultre, Fujimoto Yae, Sandy Mouche, The Thurston Lava Tube, Pharaoh's Daughter, Zoar (band), Pierrot Lunaire (band), Smilers, Elysium (band), Control Machete, Nine (band), Ruffus, Susumu Yokota, Flesh Field, Candysuck & many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerrysoko (talk • contribs) 15:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Re. WP:COMPOSER point no 6: Please cite the specific standard reference books to which you refer. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The above sockpuppet continues to disrupt the AfD process. The user has been placed in a list of suspicious sockpuppet accounts tied to Kjiva and KJIVA. The user page will be reported to an admin for permanent deletion if it continues to disrupt and spam. Also, notice how Rockwalla and Ligard both users end in the number 39: Ligard39, Rockwalla39, and only have contributions tied to the subject KJIVA, in regards to disrupting the AfD process. Obviously suspicious, huh?! All the sockpuppet accounts are tied to User:Nileshjambhulkar. Scorpion293 | talk 20:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am unable to find any reliable independent sources of significant coverage. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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