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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – nafSadh did say 08:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kazipur River (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Talk page mistakenly nominated at Miscellany for Deletion. Rationale was: "This page cites no sources. The statements in it appear to be dubious, that old maps shows the Ichamati river entering the Karatoya, but the Ichamati now enters the Karatoya. I've already removed the claim that "Nalkaseganj, an important commercial centre at the junction of the two main inland waterways of the subdivision." because I can find no evidence of any such place on maps in Banglapedia or on the Web. I think this page is a hoax." Original nomination by Sminthopsis84 Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the research of Jakob and Sminthopsis84, below.Weak delete. I couldn't find any reliable references to this river in English (except what appeared to be text copied from Wikipedia). Since "Kazipur" is a village, it makes it harder to filter out spurious hits. I found a few references, but none that could be viewed as reliable, e.g.:

(1) a flickr reference [1], which mentions the Kazipur River. Also a similar reference in Facebook [2]. I should have caught this sooner -- appears to be copied from Wikipedia.

(2) a picture in a blog [3], but based on other reading, I think this may actually be a picture of erosion of some river or other (maybe the Jamuna) in the area around the village of Kazipur.

I also searched for কাজীপুর নদী in Bengali. Not knowing Bengali, I used Google translate to try and make sense of the refernces, but couldn't find any reference to the Kazipur River. The article claims the Kazipur is an offshoot of the Jamuna River, so I checked that article for references to the Kazipur, but didn't find any. It's certainly possible references exist, but there's insufficient evidence at this point.--Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Update to my searches: By reading other Wikipedia articles on the rivers in Bangladesh, I'm beginning to think that banglapedia [4] might have something - I feel like I just keep missing it. So far, I've found [5], which talks about the village of Kazipur, and has a map showing that the Jamuna river passes by, with many branches. If anyone is more familiar with this, it would be a big help! --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 20:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks to Jakob and Sminthopsis84, I think there's enough to say the river probably exists. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 00:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment a source is available here, though it did take some digging. I'm working on fixing copyvio problems with the article. --Jakob (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, thank you folks for looking at this! Armed with the possibility that this was a real river, I tried again and got a little further, figuring out that Royganj and Raiganj are alternative spellings. Looking at the map in Banglapedia of Sirajganj Sadar Upazila, which is immediately south of Kazipur Upazila (an Upazila being a sub-district), there are some suggestive blue squiggles showing a river that comes from Kazipur and joins the Ichamati, so perhaps if the river has been chopped in a confusing way outside the subdistrict boundary on the map of Kazipur Upazila, then the existence of the river could be plausible. The earlier material "The combined waters of the Kazipur and the Ichamati flow south by a winding course through Serajganj thana until they enter the Karatoya River" may also be plausible if one looks at the map of Kamarkhanda Upazila, which is south of Sirajganj Sadar Upazila. That reasoning means that what is probably referred to as the Ichamati would join the Karatoya in Raiganj, and it actually does in the bottom right of Banglapedia's map of Raiganj. By jimminy, there's actually a place called Nalka at that spot, which bears some resemblance to the Nalkaseganj name in the original text! So the original "flow south by a winding course through Serajganj thana until they enter the Karatoya River at Nalkaseganj, an important commercial centre at the junction of the two main inland waterways of the subdivision." could read "flow south by a winding course through Sirajganj Sadar Upazila until they enter the Karatoya River at Nalka, an important commercial centre at the junction of the two main inland waterways of Raiganj Upazila. I had thought the page was a hoax to promote some particular commercial venture, with someone's imaginings about a river, but it is clearly based on something on the ground. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Holy crap, you guys are awesome. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 22:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, considering the above sources and maps. --Jakob (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, agree that with citations added for that material it could be okay. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm okay with keeping this article because it has significant citations. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Nice digging for sources! - Takeaway (talk) 00:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Just a note: While I technically started this discussion, it was only a technicality, so I'm not the person who can withdraw this. The real nominator is @Sminthopsis84:, and since their concern that this is a hoax is satisfied, I encourage them to withdraw this nomination. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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