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The result was merge to Flanaess. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:54, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ket (Greyhawk)

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This doesn't establish notability. I'm honestly not sure what this page is supposed to be about. It's like 75% general game history and 25% on the actual subject. TTN (talk) 21:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not a notable item beyond the game, no independent coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Flanaess. BOZ (talk) 03:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Regarding notability, Ket was an important cornerstone of AD&D during the Greyhawk Wars period(1991-1997), when TSR sold hundreds of thousands of volumes per year; from 2000-2008, the Living Greyhawk campaign was the largest shared campaign in the world, involving tens of thousands of people globally [Tulach, Chris (2008-06-20). "RPGA Report: Evolution of Shared Worlds (Part 4: The 3rd Edition Era)". Wizards of the Coast)], and Ket again was an important component of this campaign, since many of those players lived in Eastern Canada, and were therefore assigned Ket as their home region. Regarding the balance of content, 4,459 of the 5,281 words in the main body of text (84.4%) are about the title subject, the remaining 17.6% of the content uses the general background of the campaign world to set the why's and wherefore's of this fictional country.Guinness323 (talk) 04:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The importance doesn't particularly matter. Wikipedia notability is not the same as being noted by people within the originating community. It needs to be noted by third party sources, and none of the sources in the article actually seem to do that. This seems like an overbloated fan analysis better suited to Wikia. TTN (talk) 04:36, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Flanaess. Unfortunately, saying that the region was important to the game doesn't mean anything unless there are sources demonstrating this notability. Even if the Living Greyhawk campaign is notable, as that source indicates, notability is not inherited, and thus just saying "This was a big part of this notable thing" does not automatically confer notability to it unless there are non-primary sources demonstrating notability. 64.183.45.226 (talk) 17:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as above. Guinness323, I've sympathy with what you are saying, but I'm not sure how much it counts for without some third-party sources. Josh Milburn (talk) 02:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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