The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of railway stations in Haryana. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kinana railway station[edit]

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This article should be redirected to List of railway stations in Haryana, where the station is listed (it is not discussed anywhere else on Wikipedia). I am unable to find anything other than timetables regarding the station, which falls short of meeting WP:GNG. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and India. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom. I initially PRODed it, however it was contested as apparently railway articles are somewhat controversial. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect without prejudice to recreation when sourcing is available - it almost certainly exists in a local language (probably Hindi or Haryanvi) and/or offline resources. Thryduulf (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per nom. This can be restored if sourcing is identified (I don't expect it will be, but you never know), but contesting the redirect without identifying even 1 source that might suggest a standalone article is justified is poor practice. This feels like contesting redirection for no good reason besides creating more bureaucracy. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  According to Garuda3, who contested the PROD and is otherwise uninvolved with the article, said that 'station articles are often controversial so this is best taken to afd if it is to be deleted'. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 05:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm quite familiar with this user, who is very strongly against any sort of deletion of anything train station related. That's a valid opinion, but not how I interpret policy and precedent on this issue. We had an entire RfC which after extensive discussion and participation firmly established train stations have no inherent notability and must stand on their own merits, but that hasn't stopped a few editors from trying to claim that a station existing is enough to justify a standalone article even if there's no sourcing. The general agreement post train station RfC is that permastubs like this with little to no sourcing available are best merged/redirected into the article for the train line they are on, as a train station is at least a plausible search term and it makes sense to cover it on Wikipedia, just not in a standalone stub. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm with you on this. I think this editor may need to be told that there was consensus that train stations must abide by notability guidelines, and contesting PRODs just causes extra bureaucracy. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 07:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The issue is that in almost all cases the consensus with what to do with railway stations that don't demonstrate individual notability is to merge and/or redirect not delete so it is absolutely correct to remove prods. Additionally, it is frequently controversial whether a given station does or does not demonstrate individual notability (although not in this case) and PROD is only intended for non-controversial deletions. Anyone is explicitly free to deprod any article for any reason, so the editor in question here is not doing anything wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  IMO, contesting the PROD was fine. Following up to contest the WP:BLAR without otherwise providing sources is where this gets into WP:TROUT territory. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Now that I think about it and remember what PROD actually is, this makes sense. I didn't know that you can redirect without consensus with WP:BLAR. Thank you Rosguill and Thryduulf, and while I am here, I am voting Redirect per nom. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 02:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a perfect world, we'd have an editor here who reads Hindi and could figure out definitively if there's much in the way of sourcing for these stations. Unfortunately we don't, so we have to do the best we can with the information we can find (or lack thereof, in this case). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Haryana-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Delhi–Fazilka line, generally non-notable stations are redirected/merged to the line articles. Jumpytoo Talk 19:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The problem with that is that there is no discussion of the station there, and the article is not currently formatted to easily allow for a DUE addition of this station there. If you or anyone else is willing to put in the legwork to add appropriate coverage there I have no objections, but all else equal, List of railway stations in Haryana is currently more informative to readers. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The station is mentioned in the Route map in the infobox. Redirecting to the line article is better as it provides better context as to what places the stations serves and the nearby stations, something the station list article provides neither. Jumpytoo Talk 20:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah, I see now. I'm a bit on the fence as to which is better, given that a fair amount of readers may not notice the route map in the infobox at Delhi-Fazilka line, but your view is definitely valid. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of railway stations in Haryana, agree to be redirected. ZanciD (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of railway stations in Haryana is the best solution, since the station itself is not notable beyond the local level. TH1980 (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.