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The result was keep. Although I have been involved here as the nominator, I am going to IAR and close it anyway, since the consensus is so clear. The consensus is clearly to keep this article (although the consensus is also that it needs to be improved), with no one except myself thinking it should be deleted. I hope some Polish-speaking editors will help make this an excellent article! PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kolporter Holding (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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I have come to AfD, as this article was previously PRODed and that was removed. Although the founder of the company appears to meet the notability criteria, his company does not seem to do so. All the news reports I found appeared to be press releases, or standard reports rather than significant coverage of this company. Even the one reference provided is not significant coverage, just confirming the one fact (about the company's sponsorship). I would be happy for this to be a redirect to Krzysztof Klicki, but I felt a discussion would be best - deletion, merger or redirect would all be suitable outcomes from my point of view. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. —PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. —PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Quite a significant chain in Poland. Though I'm not sure the holding company is the most notable entity. I would rename the article to Kolporter, or perhaps temporarily redirect it to Klicki's article until someone can write a decent separate article on the company(-ies).--Kotniski (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  I'd be satisfied with that! Of course, if there are some good sources for the holding company in its own right, then that'd be OK (I don't read Polish, and Google Translate will only go so far!). I think in my mind at the moment, the ideal solution would be to create a redirect to Klicki, and then get some articles written up about the individual companies (I realise it's easy for me to say that, as it wouldn't be me that would do that! - perhaps WikiProject Poland could create a task force, as the members of the Project can more easily find references in Polish!) - then an article for the holding company with a brief description/history, plus links to the subsidiary companies could be created.

I notice that the Polish entry for the company has a lot more detail - but unfortunately, no independent sources (in fact, the only reference is to a press release from the company itself!) It lists the companies within the group - which could possibly form the basis for this article, if it were (a) translated into English (again, it needs more than Google Translate can do!) and (b) referenced at independent reliable sources - again, that would be a job for my Polish-reading colleagues! PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, but needs expansion. I agree it is notable, but not at its current sorry state. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but it really, really needs a fixup. Ajh1492 (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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