The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus -> Keep. Deizio talk 13:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Battlefield 1942 mods[edit]

It might be big, but it is also unencyclopedic. For one, most of these mods are non-notable and dead. Also, a list of mods in itself could be considered advertising, as it has little encyclopedic value.--Zxcvbnm 02:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:It has immense encyclopedic value as a record of of dozens of notable 1942 modes, and as a wider historical value of the rise of mods as historical, cultural, and social event. Bfelite 02:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There may be a problem with deleting so soon. Mant of the deleted articles in the recent months that were sequentially nominated by Zxcvbnm, were not just deleted, but merged to this article, or the existence of this articles was given as a reason for deletion. Deleting this so soon would be a violation of the results and reasons for the earlier AFDs results. Bfelite 02:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would point out List of Half-Life 2 mods recently survived AFD Bfelite 04:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete listcruft with no encyclopedia-worthy content. M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A listing of information about mods tens of thousands of people have played, have been featured in numerous magazines, and involved a community in the millions far from being cruft. 02:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete blatant listcruft. Aplomado ^talk 05:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Listcruft and a collection of external links, neither of which is encyclopædic. Better off on a games website.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  06:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I don't know enough about this stuff to give an opinion, apart from to be impressed with the amount of work that's gone into it, and a question as to whether there are users of wiki who would find it interesting... or not? Tyrenius 06:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the definition of cruft on Wikipedia is "a selection of content (that) is of importance only to a small population of enthusiastic fans of the subject in question." Aplomado ^talk 07:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's my question - how wide is the interest in this particular subject? Judging from your answer, not very. Tyrenius 07:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Millions of people have played these mods, thats far from a 'small population'. BF1942 is had millions of players, and has one of largest most notable modding communities in the history of gaming. Its like deleting an entire cultural movement. Bfelite 02:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as listcruft. DarthVader 14:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 15:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as listcruft. This level of detail might belong on dedicated forums, websites and wikis, but so many of these mods are dead.... I'm an honourary admin on a BF site, and I can't even be bothered to copy this before it gets zapped.... TheMadBaron 19:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Listcruft... Beno1000 22:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, perhaps trim, so that we have somewhere to smerge all the nn individual articles on mods. Stifle (talk) 10:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: All the nn mod articles have already been deleted--Zxcvbnm 16:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

commentI couldn't care less anymore. Just noting that some go through many mod-pages, proclaim that the mods could be listed 'here' only, then go here and want this page deleted. Zarkow 17:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this a serious problem as MODS that were deemed NN to have there own article, but be part of a list were left here. Bfelite 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. It is a very nice list, much better than most of the listcruft that we see on here. Unfortunately, this isn't gamefaqs. Suggest that the creator copy it over at gamefaqs prior to deletion, if it isn't there already. (Might be a licensing problem with doing that, though, now that I think about it.) ergot 17:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no single creator, the article has been edited by dozens of people over several years. Bfelite 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep --W++ 17:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep These type of games seem to be a major cultural phenomenon, and it's fascinating to see the intensity that goes into it all. A record for the future of youth (sub?) culture. Tyrenius 20:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, or at the very worst merge. Contains dozens of highly notable games featured magazines, game sites, and thousands of google hits. Bfelite 01:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I should add, it is likely a violation to AFD at this time anyway, because many of the smaller mod articles were merged here when they were AFD, or this was given as reason for deleting them. Bfelite 02:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as listcruft. Funnybunny (^talk/_{Counter Vandalism Unit}) 02:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I don't think its list cruft when tens of thousands of people have downloaded these mods, they have been featured in numerous publications, and have been actively supported by Electronics Arts (such as via a posts on the official websites and a community helper). Bfelite 03:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep And style along with the "list of Halflife 2 mods". BF 1942 is one of EA's most popular games and basically created the modern squad fps genre. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 03:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep This has a large mod-base. It is quite notable. .... 04:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, most of lists in Wikipaedia have lots of not-notable entries and a few that make them encyclopaedic. However, contrary to most lists on wikipaedia, this one has a real header, a pic... This project would not benefit from such a deletion. //Halibutt 08:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep', this mods have been notable and is one of the most played games in the world. --Terence Ong 08:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep... only on the grounds that it is massively culled down. While the mod culture of BF1942 was very extensive, that fact does not justify listing each and every mod that was ever conceived. A large number of these mods were never released - they should not be listed - we dont list songs never recorded, or books never published, etc. An issue which probably has no democratic solution is that there is no hard and fast definition of a mod. I could edit a couple of textures, call it a mod, and release it. This mod would deserve absolutely no recognition in an encyclopedia. My suggestion is to find an agreement on the minimum number of verified downloads that a particular mod has had, and only include those above it in this article. Remy B 08:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further to that... any mod with no reliable sources (there are many) should be removed purely on those grounds. See WP:V and WP:RS. Remy B 08:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this is an encyclopedia, folks. _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 09:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, or merge to Battlefield 1942. Zaxem 09:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. You would actually prefer this huge mass of content to be dumped into the Battlefield 1942 article than stay where it is? The notability requirements for entries in a list in the main article would have to be very strict - the Battlefield 2 article only mentions about 2 mods for example. Remy B 10:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and cleanup. The topic is encyclopaedic and interesting. bbx 10:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.