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The result was Keep --JForget 01:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Christmas films[edit]

Unending and unnecessary list of Christmas films. Christmas is notable, obviously, and its treatment in the media, as a well cited over all discussion, is great. However, this is already done in Christmas in the media, making this list redundant as well as being almost entirely WP:OR and WP:NPOV. Collectonian 15:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because it is of a similar nature

Strong Keep; they're aren't WP:OR or WP:NPOV; they're simple lists. They don't duplicate Christmas in the media; in fact, they're basically subarticles of that article, and so linked to in CITM. Sometimes, Wikipedia needs simple lists, and these are good examples of those.--Prosfilaes 16:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This list is effectively an appendix to Christmas in the media, which references it rather than containing its own long list. The same goes for the Christmas specials which, while being more tedious and mundane, are referenced in the same way. Both lists could use some pruning but deletion is not cleanup. Colonel Warden 16:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Whatever the outcome, get rid of "Category 2", films where Christmas is incidental. Clarityfiend 22:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's irrelevant to the AfD; changes to the article should be discussed on the article talk page.--Prosfilaes 23:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category 2 would, perhaps, have insufficient justification as a separate article. However, it provides a place to put films that might otherwise lead to disputes over inclusion in the Category 1 list.--Hjal 05:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak Delete~~; per WP:NOTINHERITED. --Thin boy 00 @20, i.e. 23:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Addendum In addition to my comment, the article also fails to indicate why these particular items are notable, or even to assert their notability. It only asserts the notability of Christmas films as a genre. --Thin boy 00 @22, i.e. 23:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - How is WP:NOTINHERITED relevant here? We can assume that the films are notable because most of them have articles that haven't been deleted. Usually individual sentences in an article are not called on to justify their notability at this level.--Prosfilaes 01:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is an absolutely useful index of items. jengod 09:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Colonel Warden above. Rray (talk) 02:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both. See previous Keep comments. --Marhawkman (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both articles. They are both tightly focused and a theme of interest to people, thus the subject of the list is notable and the data is not indiscriminate. This is a fairly good case of a list article being appropriate and useful for grouping and organizing articles here. Wikidemo (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is fun and very informative. Angie Y. (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ILIKEIT Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 23:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is not the same as Christmas in the media. This article is a list of Christmas films. Christmas in the media is an explanation of how Christmas is in the media, as the name implies. List of Christmas films is more of an extension to Chrismas in the media. It used to be "Christmas movies" but is now more correctly named. I believe this article needs improvement though. And I will definantley work on it. I do like the "Category 2" section though, but I don't believe it's necessary, I want it but I can let it go, it's a bit off topic. Perhaps seperated them? But I don't like the "Made for TV Christmas Movies", duplicate information of List of Christmas television specials. I will make suggestions in the discussion page. If you absolutley must delete this article, my last request would be that we create a category for them and place every movie into the category, but I do believe this article is necessary, and I will really try too keep it an efficient article, I really want it to stay. Wuffyz (talk) 00:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC) EDIT: I think all films directly associated with Christmas should be in this article. Not just ones that are "of note". But everyone possible Wuffyz (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Snowball or Speedy Keep per obvious consensus. --Thin boy 00 @163, i.e. 02:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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