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The result was delete. Academic Challenger (talk) 18:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of PlayStation Now games[edit]

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Fails WP:LISTCRUFT #7 (it is just 1 paragraph followed by 842 links to other articles) as well as #3, #6, #11 and #12. Wikipedia is also WP:NOTBROCHURE / WP:NOTCATALOG. By this article's own admission in the opening paragraph, it is 10 months out of date and may now be unsourcable as Sony doesn't appear to keep an accurate full list of games available on PS Now. Even if it is sourceable though I still think it should be deleted as I'm not sure what 1 paragraph followed by nearly a thousand links adds to an encyclopedia. WP:LISTCRUFT #7 agrees. It would also be a lot of work to maintain, (new games are released very frequently) which seemingly is not being done other than game developers adding their own games to the list, which causes its own problems. This would be much better served as a category. Thanks, AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 13:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I’m understanding the nomination and content, this would be the gaming equivalent of “list of movies currently streaming on Netflix”, which would be inappropriate as a list and even worse as a category. See WP:NONDEFINING. postdlf (talk) 15:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think I agree, this feels very much like a WP:CATALOG issue. Govvy (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this article is no different than than any of the other “list of video games for platform x” that are all over Wikipedia. Per the nominators own admission, this was inspired by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Google Stadia games, which ironically is movingly strongly towards a keep consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 22:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Xbox Game Pass games where we nipped that in the bud before it became like this article, a messy WP:CATALOG of little use once games rotate off the service and only existing for 'video game wars WP:PROMO' points for a Netflix-like service. The difference between this and the Stadia article is those games will be likely permanently on that service (as long as it lasts), not like this. Nate • (chatter) 23:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This argument doesn’t make any sense. PS Now and Stadia are the exact same sort of service. Deleting one but not the other would be like deciding to delete the Sega Saturn list but not the Nintendo 64 list. Sergecross73 msg me 01:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One question I have is are there significant differences between these two lists and the deleted List of Xbox Game Pass games or would keeping these list be an legitimate argument for restoring that list?--69.157.254.64 (talk) 02:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment One is a paid service where games rotate on and off every month like Game Pass does and is a value add on top of the main membership, while Stadia's library will theoretically be steady throughout its lifetime and its main feature. These are apple/orange comparisons, and this is a list of cruft the layman won't understand (only those really into games understand why a game's download size is needed here, for instance). Nate • (chatter) 02:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I completely that some of the columns should go, but that’s a WP:NOTCLEANUP issue, not a reason to delete. Sergecross73 msg me 13:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well...it's absolutely useless as it doesn't tell us when games were on the service, which seemed to be the entire point of this list in the first place but somehow got ditched somewhere down the line. It's just a list of games which outside of existing on this service for a month or longer, aren't connected by anything else but their platform. Also...FIVE sources out of ~850 games. I'm tired of having to deal with list of articles with such an absurd ratio of sources to items. Nate • (chatter) 22:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That still falls under WP:NOTCLEANUP. I’m sorry you’re tired, but that has no bearing on anything here. If you’re tired, tag it for improvement and let someone else do it. We don’t delete articles based on your motivation levels. Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It does have complete bearing on an article state; just throwing up a source or 'playstation.com/herearethegamesonpsnoweventhoughitstenmonthsoutofdate' and calling it a day is unacceptable, and article tagging is completely useless to crufters who wish to maintain these unsourced lists. It is unacceptable and 100% grounds for deletion. Also again, this is an unfiltered WP:PROMO. Nate • (chatter) 22:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Some list articles are useful. This isn't one of them. Also consistent with the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Xbox Game Pass games result. — Niche-gamer 10:58, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not a valid rationale either - see WP:ITSUSEFUL. And Gamepass is not a relevant comparison point. Gamepass is comparable to PS Plus, not PS Now. I think you’re confusing your services. Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is WP:NOT a catalog, a directory, or a database of everything on the internet. Here's the list from the commercial provider themselves. We should feel deeply uncomfortable when articles do nothing but duplicate the information on a press release, a brochure, an online store, or other primary sources that are commercial in nature. Because it blurs the line between Wikipedia as a source of knowledge and Wikipedia as a marketing tool. Granted, there's lots of lists of content. But this one is different in that products will be rotated in-and-out based on the whims of self-published marketing, as opposed to the long-term establishment of notability based on reliable secondary sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:32, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To me, it's also WP:NOTCATALOG, it's a rotating list of games available at some point, for a service for which the user has to subscribe. To me, that's very similar to PlayStation Plus or Games with Gold (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Games with Gold games (2nd nomination)). soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unlike Stadia, games are not specially developped for PS Now. It is a service that allows playing games release for other platforms (PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP, PS Vita), not unlike a rental store, or perhaps more accurately a virtual arcade where you pay an entry fee and can then freely play all the games within. There are no "PS Now games". Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 16:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTCATALOG. Unlike Stadia, PlayStation offers other services and consoles making this an additional streaming service for customers to purchase to play games. However, in the case of Stadia without the streaming service element there are no games at all. In this case PS Now are all games from the PS3/PS4 libaries and offer no exclusives and the games avaliable are likely to fluctuate from month to month for 2nd/3rd party games. Perhaps, this list be exported to a different PlayStation wiki. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 16:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. PS Now is not a platform that games are developed for, but just a storefront. --Masem (t) 01:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 07:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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