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The result was Delete. Currently fails WP:NOT. No prejudice against creating a more encyclopedic article, a la List of bus routes in Manhattan. Please contact me if you require the deleted content. --Fang Aili ^talk 16:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Port Authority of Allegheny County bus routes[edit]

A list of bus routes. This must fail multiple parts of WP:NOT. Another article of where I"m not sure how to even start listing the problems with it. Ridernyc 23:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If anyone's catching a bus in PAAC Bus in Pittsburgh, you can do it without consulting Wikipedia. Try www.portauthority.org Mandsford 01:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Blame me. I set up this page The page was originally created to shorten up the old Port Authority page. Some had felt it needed to stay, so rather then delete it, I moved it to its own page. At the time, the Port Authority's web page wasn't as user friendly as it is today. Incidentally, it has been somewhat useful as of late as the Port Authority has dropped and rearranged several bus routes and is considering dropping more. Anyway, I don't think it fails WP:NOT so that's why it gets the "Weak Keep" vote, but I can definitely agree that the article could be improved to add more substance. ClarkBHM 02:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, by the way, there was a WikiProject out there working on other bus routes such as this one. See Wikipedia:WikiProject buses and Wikipedia:WikiProject buses/Bus route list guide. I acknowledge that the group appears to be inactive now, but in context, there were obviously several Wikipedians who did not think that listing bus routes violated WP:NOT. ClarkBHM 02:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly why we don't want bus routes and the like. Imagine you make the page, then move on and never update it. Bus routes change but the information is still on here. It's the same reason we don't have TV lists listings. Ridernyc 14:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see no reason for bus schedules to be on Wikipedia when they are available from their respective transportation authority websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougie WII (talk • contribs) 12:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - it is nothing but a route guide. An external link from the Port Authority's web site would be more than sufficient to cover this material. -- Whpq 15:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but cleanup. Remove timetables and add description of the administration and history of the system. See List of bus routes in Manhattan for a good example. --Polaron | Talk 16:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Once again WP:NOT#DIRECTORY is being interpreted as "no lists allowed" which is not true. Lists are explicitly allowed per WP:NOT and specifically WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. Per Poloaron, we don't need the timetables and the article should focus more on the the administration and history. --Oakshade 22:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: the basic idea of a list-type article is to give a list of notable topics. Is a bus route notable? Surely not: this is the same as a radio station, for which WP:NOT says "For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules...". Nyttend 01:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Wikipedia is not a directory. RobJ1981 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if history is added. It doesn't necessarily need to be kept up to date when the point is to describe how they evolved from streetcar lines. --NE2 23:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and the augmentation above. SorryGuy 07:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.