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The result was keep. No prejudice against renaming. (non-admin closure) sst✈^discuss 15:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of automobiles notable for negative reception[edit]

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This article is not written in an encyclopedic style. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nominator has not provided a valid deletion rationale, i.e. WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC. AFD is not cleanup. -- ferret (talk) 02:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Not a valid deletion rationale, WP:NOTCLEANUP, there's a precedent for these types of articles existing. List of video games notable for negative reception, List of films considered the worst, List of music considered the worst, etc, which have all survived multiple past AFDs. Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It is mostly a collection of commentaries without a real objective support, compiled with a made-up criteria established by the article creator. Most of the "sources" are personal essays without objective criticism, overwhelmingly bad jokes. The fact that other similar articles exist is really not a strong argument to keep this article on-wiki. --Urbanoc (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Its not just WP:OSE when they've survived AFDs time and time again. If consensus to to keep them over and over again, then it becomes precedent. Experienced editors are working on the talk page to address the various cleanup issues, using criteria from similar articles to create more concrete inclusion criteria. Pointless commentary can and will be removed, but there are definitely reliable sources that provide significant coverage on the subject. Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that WP:OSE does not apply here since the agreement is not simply that the other 3 articles exists but that they have each survived multiple AFD's (the article with the least having 5) meaning that there is a consensus to keep these types of articles.--67.68.163.32 (talk) 23:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The style of the the article is a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion. It just needs more work such as adding the Reliant Robin and Sinclair C5. Andrew D. (talk) 12:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rename List of automobiles considered the worst, replace the grab bag of subjective criteria ("poor critical reception, poor customer reception, safety defects, and/or poor workmanship") and do a complete overhaul. There are lots of published Trabantian lists.[1][2][3][4] In fact, 12 of the 47 current references are Time magazine's list of the 50 worst. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opposition to a rename. I believe it was named after the video game list variant - List of video games notable for negative reception - which was only named differently than the "considered the worst" articles, because editors wanted to better distinguish it from the List of controversial video games article - one focusing on poorly reviewed titles, while other focusing on controversial titles - not the same thing, as some controversial titles, like Grand Theft Auto or Mortal Kombat have been generally well reviewed. I'm not aware of any equivalent "controversial car" title, so its not necessary to distinguish. Sergecross73 msg me 12:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No opposition to rename from me either. -- ferret (talk) 12:50, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rename I will agree to keep as long as this article is renamed as proposed by Clarityfiend as the guidelines needs to be tightened up; this is as the video game list is slack on inclusion criterias compared to the movie list (inclusion of rush produced games with the aim of shamelessly cashing-in on major sports event). Donnie Park (talk) 13:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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