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The result was no consensus. After a month of discussion here, ultimately there's no consensus at this time. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:42, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of concerts at Barclays Center

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This list is clearly against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We don't need a record of every event held at this place, especially since the more notable events are already listed at the parent article (Barclays Center). The "2014" section is additionally against WP:FUTURE. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 17:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 19:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 19:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - as promotional fluff. This belongs on the venue's web site, not in an encyclopedia. The future event listings can only be promotional, as they certainly cannot yet be notable. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This has no encyclopedic value, and it smells of promotional boasting. And Adoil Descended (talk) 22:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Do not see any promotional boasting in merely listing events that took place.Zvonko (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, indiscriminate applies not to article contents, but to articles. If we wrote an article on each concert as a matter of course, that would be indiscriminate. The specific items listed in an article do not have to be notable, though a reasonable number of the ones listed here will be.. There have been had several discussions here on specific instanaces of this sort of article, and I think there have been varying results-- er really need a centralzed discussion somewhere. Meanwhile, the practical thing to do is to keep them. 'DGG (at NYPL)' (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course, indiscriminate applies; it applies to the entire content. It says: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". OK, it does not specifically mention "list of events", but IMO, a record of every event ever held is still contrary this idea/principle. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 20:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - In my view, INDISCRIMINATE is a narrowly worded policy consisting of four or five specific situations and is not obviously applicable to this article. James500 (talk) 06:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is exactly the type of non-encyclopaedic list that the guidelines were drafted to avoid. --Bejnar (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a centralized discussion at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#List of events by place. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 02:17, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Selective merge to Barclays Center#Concerts, per WP:LISTN. Although almost all of the list content is unsourced, sources could presumably be retrieved for some of the more notable events in order to support a merge. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 15:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Trevj. I'm unable to find evidence that "Barclays Center concerts" as a group/topic has been significantly discussed in reliable sources (WP:LISTN), such that an independent list is warranted. Gong show 00:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with merging is the resulting length of the page--there is enough here to make a single article cumbersome. But it would be much better to keep the material in this way rather than not keep it at all. DGG ( talk ) 20:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NOTPAPER or merge per Trevj. Indiscriminate doesn't apply, as the list is finite, relatively short and with a clear inclusion criterion, so it doesn't match in any way what INDISCRIMINATE is about. WP:INDISCRIMINATE was created to avoid the project become everything2 or DMOZ; but this is not a "list of all ISP providers in Indiana" or "list of health-related websites". The problems that the 2014 section may have don't justify deleting the whole page. Diego (talk) 07:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I lean delete but won't make an explicit vote. However, a merge would be a dramatically bad solution as it would completely overwhelm the main article. A merge would actively degrade the main article and do our readers a disservice. Reso lute 15:59, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment. IMO, if an AFD reaches the point of requiring a second relist, it is not likely to break away from a no-consensus state. Reso lute 00:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Very clearly an indiscriminate list in that its listing every concert that happened at a venue. That being said the topic itself isn't notable which is the main issue, there is no sources indicating concerts at the center are more notable than any other entertainment venue so fails GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 03:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Very clearly a discriminate list, which lists every concert at this venue. Until wikidata becomes usable such lists are the only place to store useful information in a complete way (of course, I know that some think (me too) that information about lady gaga is useless...) Staszek Lem (talk) 00:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Multiple other pages of different venues on Wikipedia, such as Events at the O2 Arena for one. References are needed on the page, and cancelled events seems unnecessary, but overall it's too large to merge but should not be deleted. --Lolcakes25 (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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