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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of controversial deaths in the military[edit]

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"Controversial" is inherently a POV term; an NPOV list cannot be created here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - There are a number of "controversial" topics such as List of controversial video games, List of controversial album art, List of controversial elections, and Controversial Reddit communities. If the basis of the article being deleted is that "controversial" is a POV term, I must disagree as the aforementioned articles must then also disqualify for being valid articles. The article was created as there are growing media reports across multiple armed forces of controversial deaths of members of the military, such as death after reporting assault and/or harassment, or a cause of death of suicide despite evidence of rape and batttery. Sideriver84 (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/draftify The other articles with "controversial" in their names aren't the highest quality either, but this is astonishingly vague and at the least not ready for mainspace without better criteria and being more comprehensive. Pat Tillman's death came to mind as certainly being controversial, but this page is currently far too broad. Reywas92^Talk 04:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is too vague, is there a better name you suggest? Sideriver84 (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify The title is not neutral and other issues need to be resolved. Orientls (talk) 07:37, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There is a specific point of view in this article: all the subjects are women. Suspicious deaths have occurred in the armed forces of many nations in the last century. Suspicious deaths are not limited to women in the defence forces. Not broad in coverage and a lack of balance. --Whiteguru (talk) 09:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify there is a topic here, but this page doesn't have enough quality sourcing and content to exist yet. Mztourist (talk) 09:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This seems to be mainly a fork of Sexual assault in the United States military but the title is misleading and could support thousands of different cases, going back to Uriah the Hittite. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Scope is far too broad and inadequately defined. Lack of balance is also a concern. Intothat darkness 14:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The other "controversial" lists at least attempt to define the scope of what is considered "controversial." Elections are controversial if their result is contested. Games and album art are controversial if they've received criticism for the inclusion of taboo elements. There isn't an equivalent litmus test for what is considered "controversial" when people die. Unusual, sure, but not controversial, which is almost entirely subjective. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify Move it draft space for now. Category:United States military scandals Category:Sexual assault in the United States military might have more information to add to this. You may also post it over at the https://abuse.wikia.org/wiki/Abuse_Wiki if you want. Dream Focus 16:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus: Am I able to move the page to a draft myself via "move" or do I need for an admin? Thank you Sideriver84 (talk) 20:24, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When the AFD closes an administrator will move it for you. You can also work on it over at: https://abuse.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_deaths_in_the_military Dream Focus 21:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus:Thank you very much, I will wait for an admin to move it to draft and I will work on it in the link you've enclosed! Much appreciated. Sideriver84 (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination and above comments, the article fails WP:NPOV. Waddles 🗩 🖉 16:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.. Not all that necessary on a wiki Yaxı Hökmdarz (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as fails WP:NLIST and will probably descend into WP:OR and WP:POV as editors and sources quibble over the meaning of "controversial". The subject of this list is also far too broad - I'm sure some pacifists would argue all deaths in the military are controversial. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.