The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge the three character lists List of minor characters in Biker Mice from Mars; Mars into the main page. I have redirected the articles; knowledgeable editors are encourage to merge relevant and verified information. seresin ( ¡? ) 04:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These pages are all an in-universe plot summary/fancruft/otherwise indiscriminate info collection on Biker Mice from Mars. None of these pages is sourced, and despite being tagged since November for notability and sources, no improvements were made. This is also a last minute procedural nom on my part, as I had ((prod2))'d these pages (except for the last one) without realizing that they'd already gone through AfD before (easy mistake, as they'd been part of a bundle AfD). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Mars (Biker Mice from Mars) into Biker Mice from Mars and keep the rest as sub-articles. --Pixelface (talk) 15:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? You haven't given a reason. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The setting of the show seems like it would fit well in the Biker Mice from Mars article and the other lists are too long to merge. There's nothing wrong with character list sub-articles. "Fancruft" is not a valid reason for deletion. Per the editing policy, this information can be preserved elsewhere. --Pixelface (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, how about unsourced, indiscriminate, and written in-universe, not to mention that these are mostly one-shot characters who aren't likely to have been covered in any sources at all? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The cartoon is the source and if something is written in-universe, the solution is to rewrite it or put an ((in-universe)) tag on it. If necessary, all four of the articles can be merged back into the Biker Mice from Mars article. Or are you saying that no information from these four articles would belong in that article? --Pixelface (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, specifically lack of sources and no evidence of notability. Pairadox (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/merge There are lots of sources to demonstrate notability. Rearranging and editing this material is a matter of content editing not deletion. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, there are lots of books that might be sources. Unless you've actually read them, you can't say that they could be used for the articles. Don't confuse potential with actual. Pairadox (talk) 15:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Potential is what we are looking for here, rather than perfection. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And yet nowhere in that segment on perfection does it say anything about ignoring the Verifiability policy. Pairadox (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination is for several articles which cover a mass of material. Is there some specific detail which you feel needs verification? Colonel Warden (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, is "the articles" not specific enough? None of them meet verifiability requirements at the moment, and showing a list of books from a google search doesn't bring them any closer to doing so. Pairadox (talk) 17:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took the first character of the list to check verifiability. This is A-bomb and I had no difficulty verifying the information about this character at sites such as this. There's not a problem here that requires deletion.Colonel Warden (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shrink and Merge the 2 characters pages into a single characters sub article. One-off characters probably don't need more than a sentence rather than a explanation of how they affected the plot in the episodes. Merge the Species and Mars information into the main Biker Mice article. There's too much emphasis on plot information, but if it is downsized it should be fine. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I suggest merging to a single article. I also suggest all those in discussion take a look at this previous AfD for Biker Mice characters Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Throttle (Biker Mice from Mars) it may shed some light on the arguments surrounding sourcing and notability.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteThere are no notable or credible third person sources to justify its notabilityDwanyewest (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the verifiable evidence to justify the character lists for the 1993 version of the Biker Mice show? Dwanyewest (talk) 23:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Merge per the Colonel above. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 23:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and comment: I don't consider this unsourced; when an article details a published work, it is implicit, but very clear, that the work itself is a source. I express no opinion for or against merger. TJRC (talk) 18:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the Mars page into the show's page, and the three LoCs into one. Will ^(talk) 01:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, per previous AfD. The Prince (talk) 18:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Merge all, per the Colonel. If they can be sourced, and it seems that they can, then I see no reason to delete them. Cel ^{Talk to me} 12:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the soruces? The Prince (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Higher up in the discussion. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Merge per Will's suggestion. Ursasapien (talk) 10:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only information regarding character bios regarding 2006 version of biker mice from mars has reliable third person sources. There are no reliable third person resources for the 1993 version of biker Mice from Mars and please don't say this website[1]. It's a fansite which has not been updated in almost 7 years so is hardly a reliable source of information.Dwanyewest (talk) 21:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Plus while I am discussing whether I believe this article should be deleted which I firmly believe it should be. Please don't refer to the official biker Mice website as a reference for information regarding 1993 version of Biker Mice from Mars. The new version is NOT a continuation of the original series. Its clearly a remake as the back story to 1993 version and 2006 are completely different.Dwanyewest (talk) 21:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

List of minor characters in Biker Mice from Mars[edit]