- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. I see a consensus to Keep this article. Liz Read! Talk! 04:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- List of prophecies of Joseph Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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This article can not possibly have reliable sources, as it is a scorecard for whether a religion is right or not.
Currently all sources are primary sources, with their authors creating new claims for why a prophecy was or was not fulfilled. One man, Richard Abanes, is cited for most of the prophecies as the only 'against' voice, while one group (FAIRMormon) is most of the 'for' voices.
This is not an appropriate topic for Wikipedia. It would be like having an article called Catholicism vs Protestantism that was just a list of issues with a checkmark on which group was right. Brirush (talk) 00:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Wikipedia is not everything and it is certainly not a list of which religious prophecies may or may not have come true based on one interpretation or another. BogLogs (talk) 04:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - seems like a well-sourced article with potential for expansion. In contrast to other comments above, I think WP absolutely should be a place where "religious prophecies may or may not have come true" are detailed and explained. My only qualm is the extent to which an editor is expressing a personal opinion rather than giving the official position of the LTS church, and I'm not really in a position to make that assessment. JMWt (talk) 11:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep given that the article was previously thought to be biased in one direction and now is thought to be biased in the other, there seem to be sources for both sides. Certainly we can report on what churches think and what their critics think about them. Jahaza (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as the basic subject is notable. The opinions on whether the prophecies were fulfilled could be summarised in a paragraph or two instead of column entries, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Obviously Keep -- Joseph Smith was the first prophet of the LDS, so that his prophecies are obviously notable. The column as to whether they are fulfilled may be OR, though the views of LDS of this are probably adequately evidenced. Note I am a non-LDS Christian, which is why I do not normally comment on LDS topics. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Regardless of whether the 'fulfilled' column is kept, the list itself is absolutely appropriate for WP. There are very few, if any, objective accounts of Smith's prophecies (the topic is heavily opinionated on all platforms). This page is a useful tool for any browsing student; it does not have to be a scorecard, please keep! 128.187.116.16 (talk) 20:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.