The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Sandstein 15:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of state highways in the United States shorter than one mile[edit]

List of state highways in the United States shorter than one mile (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This list was created as a result of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 14#Category:State highways shorter than one mile. An item is placed on this list only if it satisfies an insignificant and completely non-notable inclusion criterion. Pablo Talk | Contributions 03:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete sheesh! When will it end? JJL 03:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully, it will take less than one mile...--victor falk 11:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and it could totally be a category. Fee Fi Foe Fum 09:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure, if the category wasn't deleted in a discussion that led to the creation of this article... --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I can say cruft faster than you can drive one mile on a highway--victor falk 10:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. But -- but -- but -- I like it! Um. Okay, so that's not a valid argument. How about: This is exactly the sort of minute documentation of how the real world is incredibly silly that Wikipedia is good at. As for the non-notable, that multiple highway engineers in multiple juristictions bothers to number routes that short looks probably an indicator of something -- what, I'm not sure, and it'll have to wait till someone uses the list for research into the subject. —Quasirandom 15:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Categorize and then delete. How bizarre that we have articles about each of these roads, but that some well meaning imbecile decided to delete what was an obvious category. What was the logic of that? Was it going to hurt a highway's feelings if it got labelled "short"? Whatever, but this certainly isn't a list, since these roads have nothing in common other than their, uh, thrifty use of asphalt. Thanks for pointing out the history, Pablo. Mandsford 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Categorize just so the category can be deleted again? Doesn't seem like the best option to me. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• keep For these highways, it is certainly their most notable characteristic. And a list is a good way to handle them since it appears the category for these was already deleted. Hmains 17:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete in the UK, the candidates for that award would be the Leeds Inner Ring Road, and, er, that's it. Multiply it by fifty to get a scope of the rarity of this, so it's very niche and the items are loosely associated. Will ^(talk) 19:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Different places assign route designations differently, so what would qualify in one state would simply be an unsigned spur in another state. --NE2 20:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Quasirandom. If each of thes micro-highways is inherently notable as roadfans assert, then why not have a list of them, which is a navigational aid to the articles, and which can include exemplars which do not yet have Wikipedia articles (unlike categories). Edison 21:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because there's no reason to choose 1 mile over 1/2 mile, or 2 miles, or any other figure. --NE2 23:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• A reluctant delete. As a roadgeek, I like this kind of cruft, but in reality, the one mile marker is an arbitrary inclusion guideline. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: These could be placed in "minor route" lists per state why would one care if they're less than a mile or not? master son^{T - C} 23:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Created per the consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 14#Category:State highways shorter than one mile. Ravenna1961 06:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that is a valid reason to keep. First, consensus can change. Second, the CFD was a deletion discussion for a category. This AFD is a deletion discussion for an article. The arguments for deleting and listifying the category are different from the arguments for keeping the article. In other words, arguments in CFDs don't translate well to AFDs. Pablo Talk | Contributions 08:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or refractor into a category as per others. --Emesee 08:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete because every state has a different concept of what is and is not a state highway. If this topic is of interest to many, I suggest adding a section on this on each list article of state highways by state. In fact, it might be better just adding lengths to these lists by state and putting them in a sortable table. --Polaron | Talk 17:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree sortable tables by state is a good compromise. Fee Fi Foe Fum 23:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete others who propose deleting this article already said what I wanted to say. Furthermore, this article doesn't represent a worldwide view, since pretty much only the United States uses the customary system; almost everything else uses the metric system. O₂ (息 • 吹) 22:59, 30 October 2007 (GMT)

Uh, the title of the article is "List of state highways in the United States shorter than one mile"...of course it doesn't represent a worldwide view. —Scott5114↗ 21:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename - "List of minor state highways in the United States" (or appropriate) - 'cause their shortness is their notability. It is easier to keep it neat as a single Article with 'State' subsections. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 08:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - created per consensus. --Rschen7754 (T C) 06:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This should make the trivia fans happy. Sometimes it is a choice between a category and a list. In this case the list is the better choice. However I think the list would be better if it was sortable and the lengths was included. Vegaswikian 06:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Created due to the past CFD, and also per Exit2DOS2000 (the shortness is notability). I'm sure that quite a few people (roadgeeks at least) know about Vermont Route 26, thought to be the shortest route in the United States at a whopping 69 feet (21 m). —Scott5114↗ 09:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, highwaycruft. Doctorfluffy 17:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • So you support the deletion of all highway pages? --Rschen7754 (T C) 22:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  No, just the crufty ones. Check out WP:CRUFT#Usage; I'm using the suffix "-cruft" as per the third paragraph. As in, this article is only important to people which are fans of highways. Doctorfluffy 06:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.