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The result was delete. BD2412 T 01:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
List of wars involving Ingushetia[edit]
- List of wars involving Ingushetia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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An article with false information in the discussion several people including the administrator with extensive experience in the Russian section, expressed the opinion that this is a complete fantasy. The author of the article distorted (interpreted) the historical data at his own discretion, please check the talk page for more info--Товболатов (talk) 07:21, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete majorly flawed article, even if it looks fine from the surface. As the original AfC acceptor, it appeared as if referenced information was reliable, but after reviewing the talk page, it is clear this is a majorly distorted view by the original creator. I don't think re-draftifying is even worth it. Thank you @Товболатов and @Goddard2000 for bringing this up! ~ Eejit43 (talk) 14:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please check the talk page, i point out the inaccuracies of this article and why it should not exist. Goddard2000 (talk) 08:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Don't see a fair target for merging either. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 10:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Eejit43 I didn't realize that Amjad didn't scite any sources, it's my mistake. There's other sources in this page that are reliable like the Caucasian war Section, so I think the best decision is to remove unreliable sources like Amjad Jaimoukha's book which I already removed. If theres any other sources that aren't reliable, tell me, I will remove them. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm going to defer to other opinions. This isn't a subject I'm that well educated in. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally think the whole article should be removed, are we really creating a "list of battles/wars" article on a small republic that is part of the Russian federation? a republic that has not taken part in major wars and who's history was recorded in detail only in the 19th century? I'm not saying this to insult, the same can be said about my nation (Chechens) and any other North Caucasian nation. I mean look at the battles involving Ingush even in this list, 99% are skirmishes and very few can be considered battles or even wars. Is World war 1 & 2 really an "Ingush war" if there were very few soldiers involved and the republic itself had no actual part in it? can World war 2 also be considered a Navajo war because of the Navajo soldiers serving in the US army? was the Vietnam war also a "Navajo war" where the Navajos were defeated by the Vietnamese? Goddard2000 (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since when making an article on a small republic was prohibited? I wouldn't have problem if other Caucasian nations made similar lists, there's no issue at all and I actually would like to see them share their history. About 10 thousand Ingushes fought together with Soviet Union against Germany, so it wasn't very few soldiers as you said, considering the fact that Ingushes were in total of hundred thousand. The victory was victory of Soviet Union, not just Ingush victory, besides there were many other ethnicities fighting like the Ukrainians or Kazakhs. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 07:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd like a source for the 10,000 Ingush fighting for the Soviet Union when the Soviet census in 1939 said there were only 92,000 Ingush in Ingushetia, even so it should not be regarded as an Ingush war since otherwise every single ethnicity in the world would be credited with a victory because almost everyone were part of the Soviet union. Next you're gonna have Chukchi make their own list of wars and include WW1, WW2 etc as Chukchi victories.
- No one is saying it's prohibited, i'm saying it's unnecessary since it is aggrandizing a small nation with "battles and wars" that were nothing more than small skirmishes. You have "battles/wars" like the great "Raids of Ingush abreks on the Georgian Military Highway and Mozdok", "Darial Gorge blockade", and "Ingush raids on Russian ambassador armies" as military victories. Why aren't these great victories on the list of wars involving Russia? should you not edit them in that article? according to you here Ingush have 3 military victories against Russia when in reality they were mere skirmishes, especially the "Russian ambassador" who was only known to have been attacked by Ingush tribesmen on his road to Georgia but now this is some war or battle where Ingush defeated Russia?
- Not to mention the battles that i have already criticized and have put up for deletion such as the "Nazran conflict" and "Battle of Assa" but these we can discuss in their respective talk pages (like we've already done). Goddard2000 (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Unnecessary since it is aggrandizing a small nation with "battles and wars", It's your personal opinion that this is unnecessary but it shows history of a small nation which is good. You try to find problems too hard when there's not, the issues with unreliable sources I have already solved by removing the sources and the battles. "Should you not edit them in that article?" what a great argument from Goddard2000 I have to say! I didn't put them because: 1. The page was protected. 2. I'm not obligated to put anything there. 3. What is this argument? Other lists involving post-ussr countries include WW2 since they fought in it but no where am I claiming that it's Ingush victory, it's victory of Allies (USSR, USA, UK and others), don't put words into my mouth please. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Most of these are not "wars" in the usual sense of the word and most did not involve a state known as "Ingushetia". I also agree with most of what Goddard2000 has said, in particular his remark on the Navajos in the Vietnam War. Pichpich (talk) 20:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I explained in the article that the list involves also Durdzuks who are Ingushes (and Chechens) and cited 8 sources for that. By your logic, Lazica and Colchis shouldn't be in List of wars involving Georgia and Kievan Rus shouldn't be in List of wars involving Ukraine because they weren't known as "Georgia" or "Ukraine". Other lists involving post-ussr countries include WW2 since they fought in it but no where am I claiming that it's Ingush victory, it's victory of Allies (USSR, USA, UK and others), so I don't understand why bring up "Navajos in the Vietnam War" analogy. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 12:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Difference between other countries in Post SSR was that they were SSR republics that had a big impact on the war, Ingush and Chechens didn't so we can compare them to the Navajos in the US fighting in Vietnam. You should edit in these wars and battles in the "list of wars involving" other countries, go ahead and add the great Ingush victory of "attack on ambassadors" during the 16th century in the Russian list of wars. They need to know their history, i don't think they know how the mighty Ingush defeated them. Goddard2000 (talk) 03:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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