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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars named after animals[edit]

List of wars named after animals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Was prodded by me in April 2020 due to failing WP:LISTN and WP:OR, but deprodded without explanation by Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs), who is now banned from deletion-related activities. I'm still confident that this fails LISTN and OR because there are zero relevant search results. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal, History, Military, and Lists. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Valid information list and a valid navigational list for those who wish to find wars with the name of an animal in their name. Dream Focus 15:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- A valid list article on an unusual topic. We could not have this as a category as SHAREDNAME categories are forbidden, so that a list is appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is an indiscriminate list of Wikipedia articles with "war" and the name of an animal in the title. Many of the list entries aren't actually wars. The Fish Wars were a series of civil disobedience protests. Pig War (1906–1908) was a trade dispute. The Dog Tax War had shots fired, but was bloodless. Pig War (1859) had a military confrontation, but was bloodless. Saukrieg was a bloodless feud. Sheep wars and Oyster War were violent disputes between Americans over access to natural resources. Turbot War, Cod Wars and Lobster War were 20th century disputes over fishing rights that involved military confrontations but which were mostly bloodless. Crow War and Fox Wars were named after Native American tribes named after animals. Emu War was a military operation aimed at exterminating animals. Plantdrew (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, a WP:LISTN failure, since no sources have covered this grouping, and also serves no navigational purpose since the inclusion criteria has no relevance to the actual content of the articles. Devonian Wombat (talk) 02:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:CSC: Every entry meets the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia. This makes verification easy. That said animals are, in fact, animals, is also easy to verify; we are not talking about unicorns or mermaids. Plantdrew has a valid point that not all entries were actual "wars", but that could easily be mitigated by altering the opening sentence: This is a list of wars or other conflicts named after animals. That "war" is often used as hyperbole for a conflict that is (mostly) bloodless is a very common occurrence. The inclusion of all entries is based on the titles English Wikipedia has given said articles, which is again easily verifiable. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: This is not meant to be a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, as each article/list needs to be judged on its own merits, but I think it's worth comparing it to the List of wars named for their duration. That has no sources either, but also passes per WP:CSC, and concurs with the arguments given by Dream Focus and Peterkingiron in favour of keeping this list. It was nominated in 2015, resulting in Keep and Rename, because it was considered valid and useful for navigational purposes. Because we are in a different but similar situation here, I think this is an important precedent to take into account. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:21, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The big difference is that those are actual wars, which is not the case with this list. Lamona (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Devonian Wombat- there is no coherence to the entries in this list, nor do any sources group them together. SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I haven't looked at as many linked articles as Plantdrew but I also note that of the ones I looked at most were not wars in the conventional meaning of that, but various types of conflicts that for some reason were given a name with "war" in it, including so-called trade wars. Also, many of them are not animals (e.g. lobsters and fish). So this list makes no sense from a logic point of view, and probably neither from an informational one. Lamona (talk) 03:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not all of these are wars. WP:LISTN and WP:OR failure. UtherSRG (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - A list being comprised of blue linked entries does not give it an automatic pass for being kept as a navigational list, if there are no reliable sources that show that the actual grouping is one that has been discussed as a set. There has to be some kind of reliable sources showing that the topic of the list has actually been discussed, otherwise coming up with the grouping is WP:OR. Rorshacma (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Well researched, meets NLIST. Serratra (talk) 04:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Well researched"? With two footnotes and not a single source showing LISTN is met? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • User:Piotrus, just another troll. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for failing NLIST. No such animal/list out in the wild. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:LISTN/WP:INDISCRIMINATE and through extension of common sense, WP:NOTTRIVIA, WP:NOTTVTROPES. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:NLIST. scope_creep^Talk 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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