The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 13:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Tryl[edit]

Per WP:BLP and the relevant essays WP:HARM and WP:COATRACK, there's no need for a separate biographical article on Luke Tryl. While he's well-known here at Oxford, his fame nationally stems solely from the Irving and Griffin incident, which can be adequately covered in the article on the Oxford Union; this article is basically a coatrack with very little information about the rest of his life. (Full disclosure: I do know him personally, but that has nothing to do with my belief that this page should be deleted.) A redirect might be acceptable as a compromise solution, but I'm putting this up for community input. Walton^One 11:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to Oxford Union per nom. Local fame does not justify notability, and if this article stays it will remain a coatrack for the Irving/Griffin incident, which will be a POV nightmare... Cricketgirl (talk) 12:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Oxford Union is one of the major fora for debate in the UK, so I don't think that there should be any doubt that any president is notable. The article should be expanded to provide an NPOV, not deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The debates at the Union do not regularly warrant a mention in local Oxford media, let alone that of the UK. Union publicity still refers to a debate in 1933 as being ground breaking - The King and Country Debate. This is hardly a sign of a leading forum for debate in the UK. Question Time and Any Questions on the BBC are arguably considerably more major as debate forums in the UK.

Like I said, I know him personally, and I doubt we could draft a full biographical article; although I could certainly find out information by asking him, very little information about his life prior to the Presidency has been published in reliable sources. Furthermore, bear in mind that the Union has a new president each term - that's three presidents a year - and most don't attract the level of media attention that Luke has, so it's implausible to assert that all Union Presidents are notable. Walton^One 23:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - 10,000 articles online, interviewed live by BBC News, CNN International, ITV, and most importantly THE CHERWELL, his actions single-handedly resulting in a global debate, a mass protest, police scuffles etc... Iheartlongden 13:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete / Redirect if you must - At this point only relevant for Irving/Griffin story, which is suitably covered in the Oxford Union article. All other information on the page is of no particular interest to the wider public outside Oxford. Union presidency does not warrant an entry, as said before, there are three of them per year, most of whom will not have achieved anything particularly noteworthy in terms of wikipedia by that point in their life. - Charles M (sorry, don't have an account) 07 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.131.14 (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.