The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MacAmp[edit]

This article claims that MacAmp preceded Winamp. The article states: The MacAmp player was first released on April 13, 1997 by Dmitry Boldyrev. The problem is, Winamp premiered in 1996 so unless Mr. Boldyrev has a time machine, that surely isn't the case. By the way, the article is authored by Dmitry Boldyrev as is his vanity article Dmitry Boldyrev, both of which have been repeatedly deleted and recreated. Only Dmitry himself and his websites corroborate any of these articles. IrishGuy ^talk 03:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not only that MacAmp preceeded WinAmp, but also WinAmp was a result of port of MacAmp to Windows under Dmitry Boldyrev's initiation. Please consider a research first before challanging authenticity. For quick verification, please go to PlayMedia Systems' website www.playmediasystems.com, the owner of AMP trademark and check for yourself. If you'd like me to provide lawsuite paperwork which resulted from Justin Frankel's attempt to cover up the story I can surely do so. Dmitry Boldyrev is currently licensing GUI and logo to AOL, Nullsoft and Justin Frankel.

Dmitry Boldyrev, inventor of WinAmp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewse (talk • contribs)

What the playmediasystems.com site says is that you licensed AMP in 1997...after Winamp had been released. IrishGuy ^talk 04:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I'm voting delete for this per WP:ATT --Haemo 04:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well all of this doesn't really have any bearing on whether we keep the article or not. Software gets a smattering of coverage [1] but I'm not sure if it's enough to build an article with. --W.marsh 04:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep all the above is an editing question. its a notable project, with coverage in the specialized press. DGG 06:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While the MacAmp may have some degree of notability, this article is nonsense. Nothing independent of Dmitry Boldyrev confirms any of it. Boldyrev is attempting to use Wikipedia to rewrite history. IrishGuy ^talk 16:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verify Mr. Boldyrev's statement. If what he say is true, keep, for now. George Leung 09:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Verify per George Leung ffm ✎talk 13:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with cleanup. I'm not sure what is meant by the above "verify" !votes but I assume they are meant as a conditional keep if verifiable? Anyway, this article is full of a bunch of unverified claims, these should all be tagged for citations and subsequently excised if they cannot be verified, but as mentioned by W.marsh and DGG the subject has some at least week notability independent of these claims and should be kept. Arkyan  ^(talk) 15:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep once all the uncited claims are removed, which will probably leave a stub. Complete revisionist history, but the program does seem to at least exist. Comment: Is this Dmitry Boldyrev guy some flake or is he for real? I noticed he is mentioned in the Winamp article, and has been there for some time. --Bongwarrior 18:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was put in February of this year. It just appeared without sources and there was no mention in any previous incarnation of the article. IrishGuy ^talk 19:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying, I was under the impression it was there longer. --Bongwarrior 19:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note to this discussion: Quoting PlayMedia Systems Website:

"1997.02.01: Dmitry Boldyrev, co-creator of WinAMP, becomes the first licensee of the AMP® 0.7-series MP3 decoder for his "MacAMP" MP3 player for the Macintosh® operating platform. MacAMP™ was the first Application to use AMP®.

Note: It was Boldyrev who introduced MP3 technology and the AMP® decoder itself to fellow University of Utah student Justin Frankel. Boldyrev and Frankel subsequently formed Nullsoft (now a unit of AOL). In mid-1997, the Boldyrev/Frankel partnership released WinAMP to the general public using a GUI bitmap design by Boldyrev."

I should have the rights to state what is true, or is this not allowed anymore? In addition to that, MacAmp is my product and who knows history better than I do, uh? What's the reason for me lying?heh

why you guys even thinking about deleting this? just ask the millions of macamp users what was first and still the best, they will all say MACAMP and those that botherd to read the about box will say "thank you Dmitry", now come on just cos you wernt aware of things doesn't make them not happen ;)

Just because you claim something (with no coroborating evidence at all) doesn't mean it happened. :) IrishGuy ^talk 08:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

comment but the question of the priority of an invention is an editing question, not for AfD. DGG 23:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IrishGuy, no offense, but I've provided evidence for you. Why are you constantly ignoring the facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewse (talk • contribs)

Because you haven't. You have not provided any verifiable independent sources to back up any of your claims. IrishGuy ^talk 00:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PlayMedia Systems is not a verifiable source? They own the AMP trademark. They *are* the WinAmp, MacAmp, and everything that has "AMP" in the word of it. Go on trademark search and lookup AMP trademark, verify this yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.173.100 (talk • contribs)

As I noted above, what the playmediasystems.com site says is that you licensed AMP in 1997...after Winamp had been released. Dmitry is trying to use Wikipedia to rewrite history and give himself credit for things that are not corroborated by anyone outside of himself. IrishGuy ^talk 04:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- To Iris guy you really need to do your research Dmitry released macamp way before winamp. Check your facts 1997.02.01: Dmitry Boldyrev, co-creator of WinAMP, becomes the first licensee of the AMP® 0.7-series MP3 decoder for his "MacAMP" MP3 player for the Macintosh® operating platform. MacAMP™ was the first Application to use AMP®.

Speedy close to avoid edit-war snowball -- 62.25.109.196 08:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article, close debate as per above. Subject of article is undisputably notable so the article should be kept and that is the only thing that should be debated here. Accuracy of article is a matter for the article's talk page. A1octopus 18:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.