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The result was no consensus. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ManOpen[edit]

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This dosen't seem like a notable piece of software, and I don't see it meeting the criteria at WP:NSOFT or WP:GNG. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep: although there are some references^[1]^[2] and several mentions in the Google Books results (some with screenshots!), I was impressed that this software is listed on GNUstep's application wish list. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 10:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Dmitrij. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - The second one isn't a source for ManOpen. The first is, but I'm still not seeing notability here. Everything in a computer is covered by at least one or two blogs. I also fail to see what GNUstep has to do with it. That would be like saying that a free to play online game was notable because it used Flash or Java. Notability is not inherited, especially not like that. Please tell me how this meets WP:NSOFT, because I'm still not seeing that. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - What's wrong with a first ref? It seems a pretty reliable source with 21 years of service history. Second ref: I must have copied data from wrong article; I'll have a second attempt later. P.S.: What is the problem with WP:NSOFT compliance? This is probably the only graphical man viewer for OSX... — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - So, here we go: some ISV-hosted anonymous review with editors notes (notability is implied with rating 6/5),^[3] some book (balancing on the edge of trivial mention),^[4] another book (AFAIK features a screenshot; behind the WP:PAYWALL).^[5] I think it may be worth asking WP:WikiProject Apple Inc. and someone with usage experience with NeXTSTEP, as it originated there and WP:LINKROT may have killed most of ever existed references. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - About GNUstep relevance: the thing that matters here is that GNUstep is a long-term struggle to re-implement NeXTSTEP for Linux. Though notability of GNUstep in no way indicates the notability of ManOpen, the fact that this piece of software is included in the rather short list of software that has to be re-implemented (alongside web browser, word processing software, etc.) shows that NeXTSTEP people take this software pretty seriously (specifically given the fact that the amount of man page viewers for Linux is pretty significant). I think this should be regarded as an indication of notability. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References:

^ Engst, Adam C. (2004-10-04). "ManOpen Opens Man Pages". TidBITS. Retrieved 2012-01-07.
^ ~~Santilli, Nick (2007-02-02). "Unix Tip: It's a Man, Man". GigaOM. Retrieved 2012-01-07.~~
^ "ManOpen 2.5". Rixstep. Retrieved 2012-01-07.
^ McElhearn, Kirk (2005). The MAC OS X command line: Unix under the hood. John Wiley & Sons. p. 49. ISBN 9780782143546.
^ Bell, Mark R.; Suggs, Debrah D. (2002). Mac OS X Version 10.1 Black Book. Coriolis. p. 521. ISBN 9781576106068.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 08:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione ^Message 03:27, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.