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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Margo Rey[edit]

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At first sight this looks to be a valid article, but the references are all primary sources except one minor appearance on a TV show. IMDB, never a reliable source, shows that she was a voice of a dog in a minor production. The article appears to be intended to create notability for this singer rather than demonstrate notability. Wikipedia may not be used in this manner. If she gains notability then an article may remain here, otherwise not. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 07:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is exactly what I meant by my comment about the halo effect. It seems as though there is a concern that the same people wrote the article just because these two happen to now be in business together, which is merely a suspicion, not based on any evidence yet offered. The question should be do we know for certain that the same people were involved in writing the two articles? Instead, I believe it's rather easy to connect Margo Rey and Margo Reymundo (name similarity aside), by looking at Reymundo's 2004 website and Rey's current website. Unless we believe there was some plot in 2004 to create a website so that in 2012 Wikipedia readers could be tricked, I think the photographic evidence supports that they're the same person. Further, one of the citations in the article (see last 3 paragraphs) tells the story of how Ron White met Margo Rey, through her brother, Alex Reymundo. Thanks. Vertium When all is said and done 10:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • its not "merely a suspicion" that the articles were edited by the same people, the edit history shows (showed before the other was deleted) that they were edited by the same accounts. It was following the edit histories that led to this article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I truly do not wish to become pedantic (though sometimes I simply cannot help myself), but in the interest of accuracy, I want to point out that no such mention of the other article or it's edit history was made by the nominator, nor did the nominator explain how or why xhe came to the conclusion, so I'm unsure of whether that's what led to this article or not. The first mention of the other article was by Dominus Vobisdu in support of deletion. Given all that, if you're aware of some information that's not included in the nomination as to how the nominator arrived at this article, I'm happy to take your word for it as I cannot see the edit history for the deleted article. In any case, how they came to the article is irrelevant, because even if they were edited by the same people - which could easily raise suspicion and cause investigation of another article - the article is no longer in the same condition it was when the nomination was made. The keep or delete decision should be made based not on what the article was at the time of nomination, but rather on what it is today. Thanks. Vertium When all is said and done 15:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I've re-examined the article and still find it lacking in reliable independent sources. Except for the Vegas Sun article, which is light on information about Rey and is actually just an extended concert announcement, the rest are trivial, routine or tangential mentions in blogs and the like. My own searches turned up nothing substantial in independent sources. The publicity material originating from her husband's company seems to be puffery. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 07:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question: You don't find Billboard to be a reliable source? Vertium When all is said and done 12:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable, yes. But it contributes little information and little notability. She had two songs that made it into the top-twenty on the list for "adult contemporary", a relatively minor list. If she made it onto the overall list, or the major lists for pop, rock, etc., I would be more impressed. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 13:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would find it helpful if there was greater consistency in your comments. First you state there's only one reliable source and relegate all other noted sources as "trivial, routine or tangential mentions in blogs and the like". And I have to admit, I'm not even sure what you mean by "routine". When someone reviews a performance in a newspaper it is neither puffery nor a concert notification. It does, however stand as verification that the individual does, in fact, perform to paying crowds. When asked, you acknowledge that there is actually more than one reliable source, though apparently Billboard didn't count in the first comment because, by your assessment, it's only a "minor" list. Please help me find the WP guideline or policy that indicates which Billboard charts are notable and which are not. Also, I'd like some help in understanding which policy says that only those songs which achieve a certain ranking on those notable charts count. I understand that the Adult Contemporary doesn't "impress" you, but it might interest you to know that the current Adult Contemporary chart includes songs by Kelly Clarkson, Train, Adele (2 songs), Katy Perry, Colbie Caillat and One Direction, none of which I can imagine are "trivial", regardless of your personal assessment. The lists focus on the formats used by radio stations. To dismiss AC would be something akin to dismissing the "Classical" list because it's not Top 40 - there are hundreds of AC radio stations, serving millions of listeners, so I think it's as notable as any other format. Further, someone who has had 3 songs at a "significant" (deliberately avoiding a specific number) level a Billboard chart seems clearly notable. Lastly, I completely understand (and support!) your reaction to her business partner's article. You'll note that I made no effort to defend that article, because there were zero RS. This is not the same. This article should be evaluated on its own and leave the aura of how it got to be here in the first place behind. Vertium When all is said and done 14:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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