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The result was no consensus. After two relisttings, I'm not seeing a consensus to delete. Deor (talk) 11:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Garrison[edit]

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After removing much cruft there is absolutely no evidence of notability. He seems to be the son of a famous musician and that is absolutely all. KissOfBrooklyn (talk) 02:35, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Does not appear to meet WP:MUSBIO criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 03:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - What was wrong with all the content that was removed? I haven't researched the guy to see if he meets notability requrements, but I'm not sure there was any reason to remove his discography. Was it unsourced? Bali88 (talk) 05:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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- It was unsourced. KissOfBrooklyn (talk) 01:25, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker ^talk 15:53, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment can we put the original content back in? If he's cited in the Grove dictionary of Jazz Musicians, that would suggest he's relatively notable in his field. He's also got a number of mentions on NYTimes.com - http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/#/matthew+garrison/ - not only listings, but significant coverage. I don't know the topic, but I'm thinking this is a keep and the content that was lost might be worthwhile. AdventurousMe (talk) 12:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment he also gets a lot of search returns on The Guardian. Without delving deeply - I don't know the topic - he's pulling up enough results on those two authority news sources, combined with the Grove entry, to suggest that he meets, or at least has a reasonable chance of meeting, point 1 of WP:MUSBIO, though it would probably be a short entry rather than a long one. I'd recommend restoring it to where it was when User:KissofBrooklyn took it over and starting to source. It can always go up for deletion again, but I think, particularly given he's a bassist, which isn't a musician genre that typically gets much coverage, he seems well enough covered to give it a good go. And he seems to have a long discography. AdventurousMe (talk) 13:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep the more digging I've done on this, the more he seems extremely well sourced - he's described by the NYTImes as a bass virtuoso, he's all over Allaboutjazz.com and he seems to be an extremely well-regarded musician who's worked with other great musicians and has a significant body of work - multiple albums, all reviewed, plus gigs reviewed in mainstream press, and full profile interviews on notable websites. I've started to work on the article but I don't know enough about the topic to improve it strongly. AdventurousMe (talk) 03:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

comment Don't know about whether he should have a page but you need to check your sources for reliability and accuracy. For ex [1] this change refers to a different Matt Garrison. Deborah Garrison's husband is mentioned in that article for the only reason because he is in a picture - it is obviously a different man. Looking at the history of this article a main editor was User:Garrisonjazz, so for obvious reasoning I am not sure how to go on it. SnowGlober (talk) 05:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment thank you User:SnowGlober (how embarrassing!). I've removed that section, and I'm going to leave the page, because I don't know enough about the topic, and don't have the time to do a proper fix, as you've demonstrated. I've restored a version of the deleted discography and sourced some of it to allaboutjazz.com, which the Jazz working group lists as an OK source. The page history is odd altogether. User:Garrisonjazz doesn't seem to have done that much to it and has made no attempt to hide their identity, so might not be in breach of WP:COI, without reviewing what they've actually done. It's also notable that User:KissofBrooklyn's sole contribution so far seems to be blanking all content from this one bio and proposing it for deletion. I'm beginning to wonder whether this sort of thing is just standard for any BLP. But I think anyone who runs a search for reliable sources on the subject will find plenty and a reasonable depth of coverage. AdventurousMe (talk) 06:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- comment Many of the sources are not very reliable KissOfBrooklyn (talk) 01:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
delete as above. there are several matt garrisons like this [2] sax player which makes finding good sources hard and confusing. MrsSunDoesntShine (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 05:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There aren't enough good sources, and the name is too common. There seem to be more famous Matt Garrisons. JKretz (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment I'm a natural deletionist, but this guy has a lot of reviews and interviews on allaboutjazz.com, which the jazz working group considers a reliable source, plus reviews (of this bassist, not the saxophonist) in the Guardian and the New York Times, plus his own entries in various encyclopedias of jazz. The Times described him as an "electric bass virtuoso" - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/arts/music/improvised-music-at-a-purposeful-home.html - he's had a guitar named after him, and it seems to me that he is probably one of the most notable jazz bass guitarists working today, with a significant body of work. Per Bali888, I also think it's really inappropriate to delete a page that's been almost entirely blanked prior to proposing it for deletion - it has the same effect as blanking content after proposing for deletion, which is against community guidelines. . AdventurousMe (talk) 14:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think a better solution would be to leave it as is, put a citations tag, and allow the other AFD voters to help find sources. Bali88 (talk) 19:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Additional coverage in South China Morning Post and allmusic review and Jisi, Chris (1 February 2005), "Shape Of Things To Come -- Matt Garrison Takes Bass To A New Dimension", Bass Player. Already in the article is good coverage from New York Times and The new Grove dictionary of jazz, and guitar.com looks good. More than enough for WP:GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looks like plenty of good sources for WP:GNG. XeroxKleenex (talk) 06:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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