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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 02:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Menarch[edit]

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Nominating Comment I initially nominated it for speedy delete due to it reading like a joke. Menarche is a woman's first period. There is also a reference to 'nardburns' insinuating burning testicles. The article appears to belong in the Paul Menard page as an addition. The author has been editing it since the initial speedy delete. It makes a bit more sense now. Suggesting Merge into the Paul Menard page. Golgofrinchian (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nardburns are a reference to facial hair, side burns that look like Paul Menards. (talk) 19 March 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 02:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC).[reply]

• Ha, no, this should have been speedied as a hoax. Delete. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A merger with Paul Menard's Wikipage is ill advised considering the Paul Menard Empire and Menarch operate separately from Paul Menard. Possibly an addition of the Paul Menard Empire with Menarch as a subtitle would be best.Dig818 (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Hey there Dig818, this page will be for other editors a chance to review the article and see how it appears to them. You are free to comment here and it is encouraged. It is not a voting system but a way to come to a consensus. This actually gives you more time to perfect the article. In the mean time while it is being discussed feel free to edit the article to make it better, such as explaining the nardburns. I will not be making any further comments as this is meant as an independent review of the article. Good luck! Golgofrinchian (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Golgofrinchian. I am not familiar with making wikipages as I'm sure you noticed. I will try to make the page more clear.Dig818 (talk) 03:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Assistance How would I go about creating The Paul Menard Empire, and placing Menarch under it. Therefore, topics such as 'nardburns' can be explained. Dig818 (talk) 03:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• This doesn't appear to be a hoax, exactly, but based on what I've found so far, I doubt that the Paul Menard Empire is notable enough to sustain its own article. There's a bunch of stuff about this goofy fan club in non-reliable sources--blogs, bulletin boards, SB.com, Urban Dictionary, and the like--but as for reliable sources, so far I have found only one brief reference to the Empire: three sentences in today's (3/18/2011) Birmingham News[1]. That might be enough to justify a reference to the club at Paul Menard, but not its own article, and certainly not an article for "Menarch". Unless more reliable sources turn up, I have to !vote delete on this article. Maybe a userfy would be OK to allow the Menard folks to dig for more reliable sources, which may actually be in the offing. --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another source: today there's a column at NASCAR.com entitled "Menard's empire continues to grow with success", starting with this: "If only every month was Menarch. . . . Yes, Menard has his own fan club called The Paul Menard Empire. They even have their own Facebook page, where they proclaim the current month on the calendar as Menarch in Paul's honor and boast that their favorite driver 'also possesses the most awesome facial hair in all of NASCAR.'" However, I still think any references to this fan group and its tongue-in-cheek support belong in Menard's article, not a separate one.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:48, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Would suggest redirecting this to menarche as a plausible misspelling. NASCAR fans are unfamiliar with that word, it seems; if they knew it, they likely would have chosen a different name. It means a woman's first menstrual cycle. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 22:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that they knew that. The plentiful non-RS content turned up by Google makes clear that this whole thing was intended to be satirical in the first place.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Ihcoyc there is no need to attack the intelligence of NASCAR fans. Especially when it is easy to see the vastly different pronunciations of both Menarch and menarche. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dig818 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and don't merge into his article. Too trivial to belong anywhere, even in Paul Menard's article. Let this meme become much more well-known if this content is to ever exist at Wikipedia. Royalbroil 00:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, and because this makes Wikipedia look stupid. Bearian (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am the creator of the Empire and one of the main propagators of the Menarch name. I'm a student at the UW School of Pharmacy, so I'm well aware of what Menarche means, it just happens to be a coincidence and something I did not think of until after the fact. I am in talks with Menards and RCR about the Empire and Menarch itself, so it is not just some minor meme at the moment.Phathead (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, and because Wikipedia should not be used to promote minor memes. --Falcadore (talk) 12:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per WP:ARTSPAM. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 13:43, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This isn't even notable for its own article. You may be able to include something in his article. --Nascar1996 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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