User has 1 edit. - Randwicked 13:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, non-encyclopedic neologism, unsourced, idiosyncratic. Note also the sockpuppettry above. Image:Nugget.jpg should also be deleted at the same time. -- The Anome 12:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per The Anome. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 12:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - nonsense, inluding 'half a mars bar was eaten from someones bag during the process.' BJAODN? I am still chortling. Squiddy 13:11, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not Delete "unsourced"? I should like to point out that there are now two sources on the term NUGGET
• Delete nn sophomoric high school pranking, with sockpuppetry to boot. Eusebeus 14:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. You can get anything into Urban Dictionary. If, sometime in the future, someone offers conclusive evidence showing that this term exists, I would support including a note about it in a list of the regional slang of the area, but that's all. Part of me does want to BJAODN this, though. Jacqui^★ 14:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uncle G has let me know that we have proof that the term exists and that what the article discusses actually happens. However, my original feelings remain — there's not enough evidence that this idea needs its own page. There's not a significant amount of media coverage; right now there's only one article listed. I would support a merge to a list of pranks or somesuch, but we don't need this much material there. Jacqui^★ 15:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete neologism, and sockpuppets are never a good sign. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete becomes Strong delete with all the puppets. This one's like an episode of The Muppets. Ifnord 16:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per The Anome. Plus, no claim to notability. --A D Monroe III 17:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• As usual, delete without even looking at the article. Anything gathering this many sock puppets has to be deleted. — JIP | Talk 18:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per User:Uncle G's relentless insistence, I have actually taken the trouble to read this article. All verifiable sources consist of one mention in one newspaper article. I don't take UrbanDictionary or word-of-mouth reports as verifiable sources. I change my vote to weak delete as I still feel this is a neologism, and the ever-increasing number of sock puppets isn't helping. — JIP | Talk 17:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excellent. Thank you. Uncle G 11:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Neologism Cynicism addict 19:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete Excellent article and extremely relevant to adolescent society. Deletion would shame Wikipedia. What on earth is this "Sock puppeting", people who express positive views?! - 8:58 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this is absurd. Neologism supported by sockpuppetry who don't even bother reading how to vote. KillerChihuahua 22:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Neologism popular amongst sockpuppets and students at one Sydney Catholic school St Patricks College Strathfield. Keep thanks to rewrite from Uncle G, no thanks to socks. Phrase more common than I thought in Sydney. If not kept as a seperate article, should be merged. Capitalistroadster 22:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. . Capitalistroadster 23:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Neologism. Cnwb 23:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE. NUGGETING is real and this page informs other people of NUGGETING and also helps define adolescence culture 10:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.215.116.19 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• "Neologism popular amongst sockpuppets and students at one Sydney Catholic school St Patricks College Strathfield. Capitalistroadster"... and Normanhurst Boys High School and Epping Boys High School and Marsden High School and Marist College (Eastwood). I've also seen or directly heard of isolated incidents at Hornsby Girls High School, Asquith Boys High School, Cheltenham Girls High School and several others. I hate to have to agree with the sockpuppets, but amongst the school-age teenagers of the Northern railway line, Sydney, Australia, (between Berowra and Meadowbank stations) I can safely say that a year ago, nuggeting was a menace, and has probaly increased in the year since I've left high school. It pains me to say this, but Weak Keep, move to a non-capitalised name, rewrite article to generalise the article's content, and remove 'Nuggeting Records' section. Saberwyn 23:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I wasn't even going to bother voting on this one as consensuh clearly has been formed, but all the sockpuppeteering going on has aroused my ire. Reyk 01:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete article certainly requires some alteration, however it is a well written and realistic article about a true fallice. Sock puppeting? The sock puppeting is coming from people like Randwicked. I dont understand the problem with the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.215.116.19 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Internet sock puppet. Please to be reading. - Randwicked 03:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll explain the problem because some genuine effort has gone into this article.
    • First, per WP:NOT dictionary definitions are not encyclopedic. This is especially true for slang.
    • Second, in the event that you could upgrade this article beyond a dictionary definition, you run into Wikipedia:No original research. Has anyone published your concept in a reputable venue such as an academic study of teen culture or a major newspaper?
    • Third, notability. Assuming you manage to meet the first two criteria, how can you prove that this is widespread and significant? Now I hope the "nugget" phenomenon never reaches this level, but I'd probably vote to keep if this became a political issue in Australia and New Zealand. If leading newspapers carried stories about a "nugget" epidemic, if concerned parents stormed town council meetings, if local laws were passed to ban "nuggets". Obviously it stops being fun long before that point. So move your content over to a Geocities. It's amusing. It just isn't encyclopedic. Durova 03:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE, Just because all the old people out there want this deleted because they have missed out on this fad that is sweeping the nation, and probably sweeping the globe soon enough. Get over it!!! DO NOT DELETE!!!!!!!!! P.s. Ching got nuggeted, HAHAHAHAHA Tommo 13:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.215.116.19 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I graduated high school in 2003... am I really an old person now? But I'm only 20! --mdd4696 16:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The rash of sock puppets defending this article only highlights its dubiousness. --Roisterer 04:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• BJAODN pfctdayelise 05:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE if Graffiti has a large article and is not deleted then why can't NUGGET's have a article on wikipedia [nitrodavid] 05:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.116.154 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE "Nuggeting" is a term which dates back to the late 18th century. The imperial powers who colonised this nation used the term "Nuggeting" when they referred to the action of inversing somebodys sack. Nuggeting is genuine, informative and factual. It is an important aspect of Australian venacular. Moreover it is a common practice in Australian society. These reasons alone make the term "Nuggeting" encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.107.19 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE its a freaking work of art — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.129.11 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE How many inside out objects must we show you people that it is a real term? Why delete it, the person who wrote this has put a lot of effort into it, although I agree is should have some things removed. --Bmw lurker 06:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • They don't want to see nuggeted bags, they want newspaper articles, preferably from the Hearld or Telegraph, saying something along the lines of "Nuggeting Menace - John Howard Declares War On Nuggeting". They want speeches by well-known shrinks about nuggeting. They want to be able to confidently say "Hey, someone other than students from St Pats, someone a lot more important than these students, they're talking about nuggeting". It's one of Wikipedia's core principles - Wikipedia:Verifiability. Saberwyn 07:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE you guys are calling it sockpuppeting but infact you just can't face the fact that more people want this page not deleted then deleted [nitrodavid] 5:59 , 21 November 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.116.154 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem here is the suspicion that most of these people are just drummed up to ramraid this article into Wikipedia. It's a justifiable position to hold, considering people contributing here come from all over this rock. I could write up a load of complete shit, and then get ten mates together and tell them to furiously defend my shit when it comes up for deletion. These people are not interested in Wikipedia, they're just doing me a favour, for the wrong reasons. Because people try to pull stuff like this, it is a general guideline to discount the opinions of those with a minimum of edits to Wikipedia, especially when the come in screaming complete bullshit like some here are. Saberwyn 07:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Completely unencyclopedic. And a comment: would people please stop SHOUTING their votes, and however emotional you may feel, keep your arguments (for or against) coherent. Oh yes, I know its too late now, but the conventional term is "Keep", not "Do not delete". It would have made reading so much easier. Zunaid 09:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Agree with all delete votes so far. I'm a schoolboy in Perth and I have never, ever come across the term. Ever. Ever. It is not sweeping the nation, let alone the world. Sockpuppets, silly arguments (age bias? ignorance = delete? What?) and so on don't help it. None of the 'do not delete' votes justify themselves through policy or even sense. Ultimately unverifiable and pointless; it amounts to either a definition or original research. If it is kept (God help us all) then it needs a huge rewrite, but I hope that won't happen. I assume those sock puppets will be discounted? Tolo 11:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least, when I close AfDs, I ignore every vote by a user who has only edited the AfD debate (or the AfD debate and the article it's about). — JIP | Talk 12:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• It is required by our verifiability policy that editors provide sources so that readers from outside of those areas can verify that what is asserted from firsthand experience is in fact the case and has been documented as being so. It is required by our no original research policy that editors provide sources so that it is demonstrable that the concept being described has already been through a process of fact checking and peer review and been accepted into the corpus of human knowledge by people other than its creator(s). Wikipedia isn't for documenting new things. It isn't a publisher of first instance for human knowledge that has never been recorded before. Wikipedia is not a soapbox.

  If the editors who do not want this article deleted can cite sources demonstrating that multiple people who independent of the creator(s) of the concept have published works of their own about it, in the same manner as was done for the Walk of shame (AfD discussion), then that would be excellent.

  However, all that readers have right now is UrbanDictionary, which is in no way a reliable source (and, indeed, specifically espouses its purpose of being a repository for made up stuff), the unsupported word of a pseudonymous Wikipedia editor, and the words of a load of drive-by editors who appear not to understand our policies or what it is to be an encyclopaedist. That is simply not enough.

  I've started you off. Weak keep. Uncle G 14:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Appears to be vaugley verifiable, but does not appear to be noteworthy. Meat/SockPuppet supported. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 15:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Hordes of sockpuppets and meatpuppets don't make it better. --Pmetzger 15:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not Delete Now then... I must say, being a Year 11 student in the start of his HSC year, that I have been in school long enough to see hundreds of NUGGETS... Also, what is with the constant claiming that everyone that says "Do not Delete" is a 'sock puppet'? I know for a fact that they're all individual people who I know and interact with on a daily basis. I can recognise each of them with ease. (As people can do when they've known other people for six years...) Why all the hating on the NUGGET? I think it's because you're all a bunch of malicious conservative fools who feel as if anything you have never heard of must be destroyed... I must say, Wikipedia is a place of knowledge, and this article is to inform people of "NUGGETS" and that's exactly what it does.

M.A. Sato

• • "all individual people who you know and interact with" equals meatpuppets. Just because you've managed to convince lots of your friends in your high school to go and vote on Wikipedia doesn't mean the rest of us are going to regard all of them as independent votes.--Pmetzger 20:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The thing is, Wikipedia is a community that works on consensus. Consensus is made up from the opinions of the people who actually contribute to Wikipedia. If just any random guy pops in here and writes "Do not delete! Nuggeting is awesome d00dz!" as his only edit, and then leaves forever, it's not contributing to Wikipedia, and it's not from a member of our community. It's just a random, off-the-wall comment. On the other hand, if someone who has been here for a few days or weeks, preferably months, and has made valid edits to many articles, writes "Delete. This is a neologism that is not widespread enough." then it's a much more valued opinion. If we just counted all votes and didn't pay attention to who they are by, we'd be no better than some poor webpage's guestbook with 200 pages full of "HOT 18-YEAR-OLD TEENS LIVE!!!" written over and over again.
  • About the terminology: A sock puppet is an account used by a person who already has an account, to create the impression that he's two people. A meat puppet is an account used by a different person, but only because someone asked him to get an account and vote in a deletion debate. — JIP | Talk 21:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Its widespread in Sydney, but I personally have no way to prove it that doesn't blow WP:NOR to all hells. Thanks for your efforts Uncle G, but I'm actually starting to think that the best thing to do would be to perform a mercy delete and page protect, and recreate the article in the future when we have the documentation to prove this. All we have at the moment is the word of one ex-Normo boy and a whole bunch of St Pats kids with nothing better to do until term ends, and that just isn't enough. Saberwyn 20:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No sources, non encyclopedic Agnte 23:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete its bullshit. Fahrenheit Royale 23:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It is not bullshit. What is bullshit is the childish behaviour and aggression coming from wikipedia users who maintain their autocratic sense of self superiority under the delusion of their own false intellect! Grow up! Your responses have been more hostile, aggrivated and issue causing than any of the supporting posts. Take a long hard look at yourselves and how you spend your time. -- Unsigned comment by 210.215.116.19 2005-11-22 03:34:55
• Delete as it is a neologism. This phenomena is not encyclopedic; it has not established any notability in high school culture. As other fads before it, it too shall pass. --mdd4696 05:15, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll admit that I have never edited a single article here on Wikipedia... (Although I probably could fix up a few of the sub par ones which are in my areas of interest...) But I'm not just some "Random Person" who was "recruited to save NUGGETS". I love this site dearly and visit it often and there has been no recruiting what-so-ever. All of our comments are our own separate opinion. I believe that this article belongs here as it contains factual information on a current occurence. I know there are people who want this article deleted and that's ok... But you can't go claiming something "Bullshit" when there are actual occurences. "NUGGETING" is similar to "Kancho" in that it is an activity that occurs in the schoolyard... However NUGGETTING isn't quite as... gross... as Kancho. I'm not trying to cause any trouble here, I am simply telling the truth. If you people can't accept that, then I don't care... Flame me all you want, but it does not change your maturity (or lack thereof). Also, if what we were saying was indeed "Do not delete! Nuggeting is awesome d00dz!" I would see why you would want it delete it. As anyone who uses a "0" in place of an "o" or a "z" in place of a "s" is automatically able to be considered a complete and utter idiot. My vote of "Do not Delete" stands.

M.A. Sato

Comment Well, there's a difference between Kancho and Nuggeting. Kancho is a widely known aspect of young Japanese kids' culture. It has been well documented by a number of sources, a quick Google search can show you that. However, this Nuggeting phenomena has yet to be picked up by any larger publications (the reference cited is just one school district). Therefore, if for that reason alone, this article should be deleted. --mdd4696 16:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Do not delete As a student at a Sydney school, NUGGETING is part and parcel of daily life. Whether or not the Wikipedia literati deem this article 'non-encyclopaedic' is irrelevant. It is a reference to today's changing social scene, and is the essence of what Wikipedia stands for. If we want a free, web-based encyclopedia which deals with the real issues, then NUGGETING surely must be included. -- Unsigned vote by 138.130.60.157 2005-11-22 09:57:03
• Do not delete As to the reasons why John Howards would declare a war against NUGGETING, I'm yet to be convinced. The lack of a national study does not detract from the credence of the NUGGETING process. There is only one way to determine the staying power of this article, and indeed the concept of the NUGGET. Let the article enter the common lexicon through its inclusion into the Wikipedia collection. Deleting at such a premature stage sets a precedent which jeopardises the relevance of Wikipedia to today's youth culture. -- A second unsigned vote by 138.130.60.157 2005-11-22 09:57:03
  • This is almost funny. Things don't become notable because they are on wikipedia. They must first become noteworthy before they can be included here. So, Let the article enter the common lexicon through its inclusion into the Wikipedia is wayyyyy off. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 12:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree. This can be summed up by: Things aren't notable because they're on Wikipedia. Things are on Wikipedia because they're notable. (Reminds me of something I read in a Finnish magazine: In the old days, people were on TV because they were members of the parliament. Now people are members of the parliament because they are on TV.) — JIP | Talk 13:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete with extreme prejudice, echoing the reasons cited by those above me who have also voted to delete, and also because if it were notable, it wouldn't need sockpuppets to defend it. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 15:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and BJAODN. Hilarious. - Marcika 15:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Insufficient evidence of notability as a widespread phenomenon. -Colin Kimbrell 19:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete Unfortunately due to the extrmely large amount of OLD FARTS who use wikipedia, it is neccessary to get other people who know the term to support it. I believe a post on here was even made by a school teacher who has had to deal with the issue. Just because the majority of admins and users are 47 year old virgins with nothing better to do doesnt mean we deserve to be slandered and titled as ridiculous "sock-puppets" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.215.116.19 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • This was 210.215.116.19's sixth vote on this page. --BillC 00:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

P.S many references on the wikipedia article on internet sock puppeting come from blogs and internet slang definitions

• • You are wasting your time. As new editors that are not contributors to wikipedia, we simply can't give as much stock to these comments otherwise the AfD process would break down. You may not be sockpuppets, but you are at least Meatpuppets. Sorry. Oh, and please observe Wikipedia:Civility. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 01:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom (and the rubbish above didn't help the cause either). Sarah Ewart 03:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nomininator, and thwack sockpuppeteers. Ambi 04:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, unencyclopedic, unverifiable. Wow, biggest puppetfest in months! MCB 06:05, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete strong delete, as per MCB. The meatpuppets don't help either. Kimchi.sg | Talk 06:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for the reasons mentioned above. - Akamad 07:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DONT DELETEWhy are all of you ignorant people making such knee-jerk comments. The fact is that Nuggeting is a legitimate term which derives from ancient roots. It is a term which is very apt in our society. Your arguments are creating a host of paradox's. You all claim to be such highly intellectual Wikipedia nerds, yet all you do is display an array of contradictions and a low level of common sense. Nuggeting will remain and will grow in understanding with the fullness of time. And at the appropriate juncture you will all claim to have first cited the meaning of the word. Nuggeting is encyclopedic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.107.19 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC) This users only edits have been to this discussion and it's talk page.[reply]

DONT DELETE as for us all being sockpuppets this website states "Suspicion of such sock puppets is often harder to verify though, as there are often people who naturally behave in such a manner with the same effects." is it too hard to believe that there are more than one person who agree with the same argument, or should we accuse all the "delete" arguments as being sock puppetry as well???

also, of course the method section is all original research, the only websites you would accept as a source are just as conservative as yourself. maybe if you would accept this article then others would see it as acceptible too. please someone help me out here, tell me how that anecdote isn't written from NPOV

if you're going to delete this article for it being a neologism may i direct you to delete also the terms "wikipedia", "Wiktionary", "Wikibooks", and "Wikinews". These terms make even less sense, have no origin and no sources that could be deemed verifiable by your standards!

BTW you have suggested we look at "testosterone poisoning" as an example. here is a quote from that page: "The earliest printed reference appears to be the 1985 book A Feminist Dictionary. It is unclear whether this refers to existing slang or is the editors' humorous neologism." need i point out that the origin of this is also shady AND it is a neologism - you've said it yourself!

im sick and tired of people saying its unencyclopedic, at least our arguments have substance! we are saying why it should stay and we are giving damn good reasons too. "unencyclopedic" is not an argument without some sort of elaboration and sockpuppetry is an opinion NO FACT whatsoever.

you know what, you all seem to know so much that we know longer need "wikipedia - an encyclopedia by the people for the peple" i think "wikipedia - by conservative autocratic fools who know everything to tell everyone else what is and what isnt."

ill finish (for now) by saying this. you're all rather misinformed. the term you're looking for is not "sockpuppet" its "minority group" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.127.4 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC) This users only edits have been to this discussion.[reply]

DO NOT DELETE Delete, unverifiable was a comment left by one of the disgruntled users of wikipedia. If we were to define "contradiction" there would be this caption next to it, how about you VERIFY your opinion with evidence, you accuse them of using unverified information and then you dont even verify your arguements. Furthermore, if your going to leave a comment make sure it is a COMMENT and not "reasons given above". If thats all you have to contribute to this debate keep your uninformed opinions to yourself you unoriginal fool. At least write a valid reason as to why you should think it should be deleted instead of "dido".

I totally agree with the previous comment, sockpuppetry is an excuse thrown around to destroy this credible article and if that is the strongst arguement you have then your in trouble. Sockpuppetry is an arguement against a small number of the supporters not the article itself, it is irrelevant to the legitmacy of the article and therefore an arguement which mentions it should be disregarded.

Wikipeida - A website of close-minded, conservative, narrow-minded, rigid and discrimminatory users (hopefully just the minority i have been exposed to) who enjoy attacking articles in a subjective and personalised way and in doing so contradicting themselves in their criticisms of other supporters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.168.18.208 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Wikipedia is not a slang dictionary. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 13:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-encyclopedic. Jasmol 17:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the page. Burn the socks. And if the socks don't stop, RfD their school as well. Regards, Ben Aveling 12:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What good would that do? Don't make it personal... -Colin Kimbrell 18:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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