- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There is certainly a consensus that this article ought to be deleted. What should happen from there (redirection, disambiguation, moving another page to this title, etc.), is a separate discussion, and while none of those options reached a clear consensus here, none of them require an AfD either, so they may be discussed separately. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Outline article masquerading as a disambiguation page; should be deleted to make room for the actual article that covers the whole of the topic, Nonduality (spirituality). There is nothing in the outline that is not covered in the full article. Skyerise (talk) 14:32, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete (Assuming we will change the page title of "Nonduality (Spirituality)" to original title "Nondualism") - see varies talk topics starting with here. Also @Last1in@Jtbobwaysf - just wanted to add clarification that this page was not moved (meaning original page called "Nondualism" was not moved. This page was created new after original page title got changed). I am copying brief recent history of the original page here for reference from the talk page discussion:
- Background Information for page title change from original Nondualism to "Nonduality (Spirituality)":
- Page title till July 22nd was Nondualism
- user Jtbobwaysf highlighted few issues in the lead section e.g. excess details, delves into details or introduces new concepts etc.
- During user Joshua Jonathan's discussion with user Jtbobwaysf, user Joshua Jonathan thought page title of "Nonduality (Spirituality)" makes sense based on content of the page and changed the page title to "Nonduality (Spirituality)". They also added a new Category:Nonduality and updated all pages to remove Category:Nondualism and add Category:Nonduality to correctly reflect the page title change of Nondualism to "Nonduality (Spirituality)".
- A new page called "Nondualism" got created on July 22nd during those talk page discussions.
- Discussions started on Talk page regarding what should be the correct title for the page - Nondualism or Nonduality (Spirituality)/Nonduality.
- Asteramellus (talk) 11:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Asteramellus, I confirm your clear analysis and I thank you for your input. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support for a Merge or Redirect. A page move can be discussed later.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Nonduality (spirituality). Common term for the related subjects. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The idea is that removing the current disaster will allow Nonduality (spirituality) to be moved to Nondualism. Skyerise (talk) 19:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- From the viewpoint of an AfD, I think we have to consider just this article. I think (policy is a bit vague) that the right way is to Merge this article into Nonduality (spirituality), then rename that article to either Nonduality or Nondualism based on a discussion (and probably RfC) on that page. The end result is the same. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:NOTBURO: We are discussing this now, and this is deletion-worthy material. We don't need yet another full discussion process. —Alalch E. 00:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTBURO is about ignoring bad rules. So, let me rephrase without reference to the rules at all: I agree that this is worthy of deletion (with a redir). The considerate way to delete an article is to build consensus here, at AfD, where people interested in deletions gather. I think the considerate way to rename a different article is to build a consensus on that article's Talk. That way, the people who actively contribute to that article can opine. Slipping the rename into a deletion discussion that some of those editors probably don't know exists is simply a bad plan, and I feel that it is inconsiderate whether policy recommends it or not. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh I didn't mean, nor did the other editor, I'm pretty sure, that we would try to develop actual consensus here for a move of that other article to this name. The thing is that we are not obligated to favor redirection as an alternative to deletion just because it's a reasonable redirect when there are other considerations. For example, it's often fine to boldly move pages too. If Skyrise prefers this name to "Nonduality (spirituality)", it's totally fine to ask editors not to !vote for redirection (just for the sake of reasonableness) so that she can perform the move herself--in light of general agreement that the content here is good to be deleted. —Alalch E. 01:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 00:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or redirect. Either way the requested move is waiting for this discussion to close. Neither result would prevent a page move (see WP:ROUNDROBIN for how a redirect with history can be swapped), whereas a relist would delay it further. SilverLocust 💬 08:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.