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The result was delete. No actual evidence of notability presented. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I came across this page due to it being added to List of gaming conventions. I do acknowledge that it was created today, however I also did a search and was unable to find anything to show that this convention is ultimately notable. There is no in-depth coverage of this in any news source and very little coverage on the Internet in general. This is ultimately your average non-notable gaming convention. Considering that this has been running since the 1980s, that it has received no coverage that I can find in any reliable sources is fairly telling. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In terms of coverage in reliable sources, this brief mention is the best sourcing I could find. -- Whpq (talk) 16:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete - Anyone from Texas who is into gaming knows of this convention. It is the largest gaming convention in the 4th largest city in the United States. It has hundreds of attendees every year. It is run by a university organization, so they do not spend a lot of time, effort, and money on publicity. This does not mean it isn't noteworthy. Gilgatex (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - "Notability" as used in wikipedia has a specific meaning. It essentially represents the criteria used to evaluate if a topic should have an article. The primary way of satisfying the inclusion criteria is through significant coverage in independent reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto on what Whpq says. You can say that something is WP:Clearly notable, but you have to back that up with coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources that focus on the convention in-depth. That just doesn't exist at this particular moment in time. Having a lot of attendees does not really matter as far as notability goes, as WP:ITSPOPULAR holds no weight unless the popularity of the convention is covered in (you guessed it) reliable sources. Besides, hundreds of congoers isn't really that big of a number when you realize that some of the smaller conventions such as Anime Mid-Atlantic have about 4,000 attendees per year. This doesn't mean that a convention that only gets about 400-800 attendees a year cannot be notable, but it makes it far less likely. Most times the conventions only get notice if they have the extremely large numbers such as Penny Arcade Expo's 70,000 or the SD Comic Con's 100K+ attendees. Anything less than that and it's usually up to the convention heads to get the publicity for themselves. I know it's harder for student run or independently run organizations to get coverage. I've helped promote indie films, so trust me- I know that most papers will smile and then forget about whatever you're promoting soon after you exit the building. But that doesn't mean that whatever indie project I'm promoting gets a free pass because it's small. It has to follow the same guidelines for notability as the next subject, whether it's a big production or a small one.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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