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The result was WITHDRAWN Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC) (involved but uncontroversial close)[reply]

Peter Rodger

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~~Fails WP:CREATIVE, sources are about his son, WP:NOTINHERITED, etc. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 14:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)~~[reply]

Keep - as article creator, meets WP:CREATIVE, "person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work", both with Oh My God and The Hunger Games. Has also won numerous awards at important film festivals. Giant Snowman 14:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the shooting article. He worked on two movies (one as assistant director) and has won a handful of unremarkable awards from local film festivals. I guess it could really go either way, but due to the lack of anything super strong I'm suggesting a redirect. wirenote (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Wirenote: how is the Chicago International Film Festival ("the longest-running competitive film festival in North America") a 'local' film festival? Same goes for WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival which is renowned. Furthermore what good does a redirect to the shooting article do? If you were to redirect (though I am still confident of independent notability), then a better target would be Oh My God (2009 film). Giant Snowman 15:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The awards from those festivals are not notable. He has a handful of minor ones; so what? His body of work is not significant. (By the way, he was the assistant director of the second unit on THG, which is far less significant than the main assistant director). wirenote (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He was "best director", how is that a non-notable award? Giant Snowman 15:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have added a link to the Saatchi Gallery which states he is an "award-winning director and photographer" - furthermore his official website states he has written 8 screenplays (with 3 to be directed by him) and he has also published a book. I have not included that information in the article as I cannot currently find a third-party source to verify. Giant Snowman 15:18, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep as barely passing GNG, although that is about the weakest sourcing for awards I've seen in a while. No mention of year or for what. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 15:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Dennis Brown: well there are other sources such as this and this which give a bit more info but I'm not sure if they are RS or not. There are going to be other, better sources out there, it's just hard to find them as internet search results are being skewed given recent events. Please also note I am going on holiday for a week vey shortly so won't be able to look any further... Giant Snowman 15:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. He is in a terrible position personally right now. I think his son's actions should be irrelevant to this discussion. At this point we can confirm that he directed one notable documentary that received substantial coverage. I don't think that we usually consider second-unit direction to convey notability, even on a film as prominent as Hunger Games. He appears to have a long track record working in commercials. I would find this easier to deal with if there were any independent confirmation of some of the "awards": I couldn't find any, and I note that no awards are listed on his IMDb page. I do agree that if this is redirected, the correct place would be Oh My God (2009 film). --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG and WP:N, has received multiple awards for his work. No notability is inherited, as the article does not significantly discuss his son. He does not need to be the primary subject of the reliable sources for it to be considered coverage. STATic message me! 19:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep this article is overdue given his contributions to an award-winning film. On what grounds would this be considered for deletion? Because his son was crazy? What difference does that makes? Bangabandhu (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep the person has only been given an article now that his eldest son went on a murder spree. Had this not happened, he may not have gotten an article. He seems like a big-time producer of some renown and based on this I'd say notability can and has been established outside the actions of his son. However the article is very short as it is. I believe an image and some more lines, a more complete biography and such is needed to improve the article. It's too much of a stub now, and I would like to see if it can be improved because in it's current form I am leaning towards deletion. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep While he didn't have an article before his son's shooting spree, I agree with Mythic Writerlord above; his career with Hollywood films seems to have established some notability for him. Canuck^{89 (converse with me)} 21:29, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
Strong Keep Meets criteria for [[WP:CREATIVE]. Peter Rodger has contributed to cinematic arts and with highly acclaimed films. The article does need more development/contributions of his work and life. TalkAbout (talk) 21:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notability established.--JOJ ^Hutton 22:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll withdraw the nomination, even though I still consider it a very borderline case. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.