The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Notability is marginal, but if there's no consensus to delete after 12 days, it's time to default to keep and move on. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Piotr Lato

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I've declined a speedy on this article because this biography asserts notability but may not pass WP:BIO. According to Kasnie (talk · contribs), this article has been "deleted for not meeting notability guidelines on Polish Wikipedia and should likewise be deleted from English Wikipedia." Cunard (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weakest of keeps only because he placed 5th in Idol and was also on Big Brother, which clears wp:oneevent, and approaches multiple instances of minor celebrity. Likely, this could be sourced better, but that is a tag issue. This is admittedly marginal, but the threshold appears to be passed. Or he is at least sitting directly on top of it. Maybe the notability is more obvious to those in Poland or of Polish descent. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 14:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, Dennis, it is not. Delete per above. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It gets AFD listed, then relisted TWICE, but no one has an opinion until they get a chance to tell me I'm wrong ;). DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 22:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I just didn't see it before, I was very busy moving back then. Sorry ;) --Ouro (blah blah) 08:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- game show contestants are generally not notable, even if they have been on two game shows. A quick Google search yields a lot of facebooky and myspacey links, but nothing that would satisfy the reliable secondary source criterion at WP:N. The mob from the Polish Wikipedia got this one right. Reyk _YO! 22:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Many weeks on Idol and Big Brother aren't the same as showing up for a 30 minute shot on Wheel of Fortune. I agree it is still very marginal, but the comparison really doesn't apply. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable to Polish tv audiences. Has appeared on two different major shows. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment no, not really. There are audiences and audiences. This is after all a country of 38 million with loads of folks viewing very different stuff. Notability is, if at all present, in the lowest levels if you consider this. And outside of tv - the person's just not notable at all. Addendum: if I may call a recent example of a similar case for the courtroom to consider. --Ouro (blah blah) 08:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment WP:BIG says the number really doesn't matter, it is the coverage. I would have to disagree with your logic in this case. I would also disgree comparing it to other cases via WP:EXISTS. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 13:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment The other case was a person that just reached another standing on Idol. I stand by my !vote. --Ouro (blah blah) 17:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.