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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PlayStation Portable successor[edit]

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This article oddly looks well developed at the first glance of a typical reader, but this article is a steaming pile of WP:CRYSTAL in true form. Almost all of the references come from one source, Kotaku, and personally the article should just wait until more news sources pop up that are not from Kotaku. By the way, the article states it's NOT CONFIRMED by Sony. SixthAtom (talk) 20:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete For the reasons above. It may have reliable sources, but it's just sourced speculation. Nothing is concretely announced, and even the quotes from Sony are vague and pointless. Sergecross73 msg me 21:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above, sources confirm nothing. WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. WP:CRYSTAL states ^{"It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced."} Now, I may be reading this wrong, but from what I understand, it says this is ok. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 01:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As per above WP:CRYSTAL states ^{"It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced."}In addition the device has been confirmed to exist by the senior vice president of Electronic Arts, with pictures of the actual development kit being leaked by VG247 and has been corroborated by not only Kotaku but by IGN as well. The reason why most of the sources are from Kotaku is that, they have a better archiving system, which allowed me to backtrack and find older relevant articles and expand it significantly. It is possible to add several sources that are not from Kotaku, however it just requires more work and reports on pretty much the same stories. The Wall Street Journal has also reported of a new gaming device from Sony while the head of SCE Worldwide Studios has said that they are developing new PlayStation hardware.KiasuKiasiMan 07:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone is claiming that it won't exist. I'm sure it does/will. It's just that there isn't a single piece of information concretely known that isn't speculation. It doesn't have a single confirmed game, or even a name yet. My first reaction to coming to the page was "Wow, I didn't know so much was known!". After reading it though, I didn't learn a thing. The whole article is "Random video game company/blog says it exists" and "Well, it could have these specs...". It's not useful at all, and once the thing is actually announced, all this sort of junk is going to be deleted in favor of real information and games. Sergecross73 msg me 14:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Electronic Arts isn't just any random video game company, it is one of the largest around the fact that they acknowledge it exists is quite proof enough that such a device exists here and now just not publicly known. Also the facts may not be concrete but it is corroborated by several different sources from different sites which gives it some sort of credibility. Leaked prototype shots further support that such a device already exists and as such it is fair to create an article about it. It is also not the first time an article such as this was created and kept, what I'm referring to is a technology device that is not officially confirmed but is widely reported on by multiple reliable sources and I'm referring to the iPad article as an example.KiasuKiasiMan 16:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I should have said "various", not "random". I'm not discrediting any of the companies or blogs in the article. I'm just saying that none of them say anything of any concrete/confirmed, substance. (For example, EA is merely saying it "exists", not "we're porting Sims 3 to it.") Just because it may exist, doesn't mean it automatically qualifies for an article. See WP:EXISTENCE Sergecross73 msg me 21:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral. I don't know. As far as unconfirmed things go, this seems to be pretty well "covered" by press. WP:CRYSTAL is when we speculate, this is press speculating. On one hand it's a notable topic once released and will garner much press, on the other hand it's not officially announced. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Endless sources available to document this. CPerked (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: This article needs to conform better with WP:VG/S, i.e. Kotaku is not a reliable source and the article shouldn't have to tell the reader what is reliable. « ₣M₣ » 19:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

• Correction - Kotaku is a situational source. --Teancum (talk) 03:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nomination. Koblizek (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Just get rid of the synthesis. Marcus Qwertyus 03:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – I'm going to have to agree with KiasuKiasiMan on this one. If this article was based solely from video game blogs such as Kotaku, I would have favored deletion, but it isn't. You got reports that a major video game company and the head of a major video game franchise Mortal Kombat has already seen this in the works. In my judgment, this looks to pass WP:CRYSTAL. –MuZemike 22:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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