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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pogroms carried out by Arabs against Jews[edit]

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The PROD was removed, thus I cannot re-PROD it. This is essentially a one-sentence definition-like stub; the title is problematic (Arabs? all of them? Some?), and the sentence then says "Muslims". The PROD was removed because the topic was deemed notable -- it possibly is, but this stub doesn't even define exactly what said topic is supposed to be. The merge discussion which is supposedly taking place somewhere was about merging a different article which has since been deleted.

As it stands, this page conflates Arab and Muslim, and places it next to the antisemitism-box. I suggest deleting this short thing until people can figure out what the correct title should be and what the exact topic is. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 18:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment—I'm not sure that this article adds much beyond what is on the Pogroms article, but a more general List of pogroms may be useful to give a historical perspective.—RJH (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The article consists of one eight-word sentence, which is a sweeping generalisation. It is cited to two poorly-identified books. As noted above, the one sentence refers to "Muslims" not "Arabs". This article has the appearance of an attack article, and the article creator has created several other similar articles which have been deleted as attack pages. RolandR (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Comment; In the present state what would be the purpose of the article that is actually shy of being a stub? There is a merge request tag and no comments. There was no tag placed on the intended receiving article, Antisemitism in the Arab world, so I did so. This titled sentence could be incorporated into Pogrom if expanded but I feel does not deserve article status. Otr500 (talk) 22:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete:One sentence non-article created by SPA with agenda of proving Ottoman cruelty to Jews. Most sources don't refer to these events as "pogroms", and the article links to historically very disparate events from different centuries under a questionable (and unsourced) header, so its all WP:OR. Jonathanwallace (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Pogrom is a Russian word, used to denote a specific recurring phenomenon that was part of the history of a Russian empire. The very title of this article is a POV extravaganza — a contradiction of terms. Under no circumstances should aspects of the Israeli-Palestinian civil war be allowed to migrate to Pogrom via a merge. Carrite (talk) 01:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Interchangable use of "Arab" and "Muslim" in the article is factually erroneous. Carrite (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I pointed out on the article's talk page, the word pogrom is applicable here as per the definition at pogrom. Joe407 (talk) 09:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According the definition used at pogrom the two 20th century incidents do not qualify as such. The earliest example, from the 11th century probably doesn't either. A pogrom is not just a massacre, it is a massacre "either approved or condoned by government or military authorities," according to the entry.Griswaldo (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"either approved or condoned by government or military authorities," - As this was often the case, I believe that this was the reason this word is used in the article title. It is a similar question to should an article be called "Death of X", "Murder of X", or "Execution of X". Joe407 (talk) 09:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. The article creator appears to have intended to create what we know of here in Wikipedia as a List. A List of this type is clearly notable and eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia. The Arab/Muslim conflation has to be resolved, either now or by starting over.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and Redirect to the Antisemitism in the Arab world article as indicated on the article's header. By the way, the English language is made up of layers of multiple languages and absorbs words from other languages, so Pogrom is a legit word in English especially as it relates to Jews. But in the Arab world the word "pogrom" was not used in relation to mass killings of Jews, those were just plain "massacres" or "beheadings" or some some such exotic death or torture inflicted on Jews in Arab lands over the centuries. IZAK (talk) 08:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as I do not believe the title is a plausible redirect. Should be covered under the already existing articles on the topic. N419BH 06:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.