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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revolucija (TV show)[edit]

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This discontinued Serbian TV programme is largely sourced to promotional material from the presenter/producer himself. A small amount of notable material was already on presenter's main article (Boris Malagurski). There is little reason to believe that independently sourced material will surface now to establish notability. I propose notable material is re-merged with main page and this article be deleted. There seems to be no equivalent article on Serbian Wikipedia. Pincrete (talk) 17:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose deletion - Just because a show was discontinued isn't reason enough to delete its article. Neither is the fact that there is no equivalent article on Serbian Wikipedia an argument for deletion. There are reliable sources regarding the TV show, including the Association of Journalists of Serbia, NaDlanu.com, Story.rs, and I just found a few more from The City of Subotica, Nightly News (Večernje novosti), Teleprompter.rs, NSPM.rs (New Serbian political thought), etc. The notability of the show is evident and though it wasn't, of course, popular worldwide, in Serbia it certainly was. --UrbanVillager (talk) 22:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that I, as the creator of the article in question, wasn't notified on my talk page by Pincrete that the article was nominated for deletion, which is not very nice. --UrbanVillager (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A note was left on the Malagurski talk page, specifically in order that ALL connected editors (including yourself), would know about the AfD nomination. Pincrete (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "little reason to believe that independently sourced material will surface now"

Surface now? It's been there all along. It received plenty of coverage in main stream press and web outlets in Serbia and also to a lesser extent in Croatia. In addition to the sources listed above there's also Press [1][2],Story, Glas zapadne Srbije, Monitor.hr, Večernje novosti [1], frontal.rs Not to mention the show ran for three seasons on a station with national broadcasting license in Serbia. Fairly straight-forward keep.Zvonko (talk) 06:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I haven't had time to examine ALL the links provided by Zvonko and UrbanVillager, and some are dead to me. The ones I have looked at either do not say anything about 'Revolucija', or are directly promotional comments by the presenter himself,(eg New Serbian political thought simply reproduces the presenter's Facebook page,[[3] with no independent content by NSPM. The 'Nadlanu' source used in the article,[4] simarly uses as its sole source, the presenter's Facebook page).

IF these links provide any substantive, independent RS material about the show or WHY it is notable, I hope that material will be included in the article. Links which simply mention the show existed, or what the presenter said about the show's nature and importance, establish nothing at all. I agree that the absence of articles on Balkan WPs, does not, in itself, mean there should not be an en. article, but it is a little strange. Pincrete (talk) 13:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment Having looked at most of the above 'sources', I see nothing in them but generalised announcements from the presenter or TV company about what the programme aims are + claims from the presenter of having been 'censored', these are almost all sourced to his own Facebook page. If I am wrong, would someone please put into the article the 'wide (independent) coverage' which is claimed. Pincrete (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 'generalised announcements from the presenter '

Not sure what your level of comprehending Serbian is, but it seems it could use a little work if this is your takeaway. Six of the 7 links I posted discuss various specifics of the issues raised either in different episodes of the show as show topics or as controversy raised from the station's programming decisions regarding the show. Those issues being: murder of Brice Taton, HR decision at the state-owned rehab facility in Ivanjica, a previously announced episode of the show being banned, and Croatian journalist Domagoj Margetić's allegations against Serbian finance minister Mlađan Dinkić. Furthermore, each piece specifically references the show when discussing these things. The remaining piece is a fairly in-depth interview with Malagurski about the show. None of the above remotely fits the description of "nothing in them but generalised announcements from the presenter or TV company".Zvonko (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understood these reference, however in almost all cases, the claims as to content are pre-showing and are sourced to comments/claims by the presenter or ocassionally the TV company (in several cases using the presenter's Facebook page as source). We have almost NO content from independent RS. The Taton material, adds nothing to what is already said on that film's article and belongs there anyway. Again if I am wrong, please insert this notable material in this article.Pincrete (talk) 11:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Final comment Pincrete, I think it's about time you stopped minimizing everything that has to do with Malagurski and his work. There are articles by the Anticorruption League of the Balkans, the Association of Journalists of Serbia and several mainstream Serbian media outlets attesting to the notability of the TV show. As a matter of fact, it was you who added the "Kostic controversy" regarding this very TV show to the Malagurski article, and even later, it was you who added this text to the Revolucija (TV show) article, which you decided to nominate for deletion one day later. Please stop abusing Wikipedia. Strong Keep, per Zvonko and his sources as well. --UrbanVillager (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Questioning an other editor's motives, does nothing to establish what independent RS material is in these sources. Yes, I did add the 'Kostic' material (from the Association of Journalists of Serbia), as far as I can see, this is the only substantive content which does not trace back to the programme presenter himself.Pincrete (talk) 12:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, nice analysis by Zvonko, above. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 16:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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