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The result was no consensus. The article on Ryan Young should be listed separately (if desired) as it did not garner any significant discussion. —Darkwind (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Robbie Willmott[edit]

Robbie Willmott (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Article about a footballer who hasn't played in a fully pro league and also fails WP:GNG due to the fact that he hasn't received any significant coverage. – Michael (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related article for the same reason. – Michael (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Young (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - non-league footballer who has not played at a notable level and lacks sufficient coverage to pass WP:GNG. C679 13:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep appears to pass WP:GNG, see [1] [2] [3]. Monty₈₄₅ 02:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 11:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Robbie Willmott - appears to meet GNG from the sources in the article and shown here (there's a lot of them, more than enough to satisfy it, even if a few are a bit routine.), plus plays in a grey-area league under WP:FLP. Neutral on Ryan Young - but with so many appearances for Telford, I'm sure someone will be able to turn up a bunch of sources about him as well. Lukeno94 (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete And salt because three AFDs so far. Footballer bios that fail WP:ATHLETE, quite honestly I can't bring myself to care whether they meet basic WP:GNG or not. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 04:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:GNG outweighs WP:ATHLETE... surely that's the most important guideline? Lukeno94 (talk) 09:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, but it's a matter of common sense - we're creating a bio for someone whose fundamental claim to notability is being a football player, yet he/she fails at that. Unless the non-athlete notability is above and beyond routine (I mean, way above and beyond) and generally unrelated to their football career, then I tend to opt for deletion. In most cases like these it's too soon of course, and the article eventually ends up being recreated. The article(s) nominated here are basically a collection of routine coverage common to most footballers, used to pad the bios in order to prevent deletion because the author(s) probably looked at WP:ATHLETE and realized that they were on shaky ground. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, I'd agree with you, as a lot of these articles are on players who have played very rarely, but these two players have a heck of a lot of appearances at certain clubs, particularly in grey-area leagues, therefore checking if they pass GNG totally valid. Lukeno94 (talk) 21:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's the third AfD, but it has only been deleted once as the last AfD was closed as "no consensus", so no reason to SALT. And Lukeno94 is correct, the most important thing is GNG, not if a footballer played four minutes in a FPL. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:43, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and Salt - This article is like the villain from a bad slasher movie, it just won't die. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Robbie Willmott - passes WP:GNG per the sources in the article, this AfD and the previous AfD. It doesn't look like anyone has commented on Luke Young, so I guess he should be nominated individually. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's Ryan Young, Luke Young is a totally notable player ;) Lukeno94 (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry - even though I got the name wrong, my comment is still valid :P Mentoz86 (talk) 03:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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