The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Chinese rock#Rock in China. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rock in China[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This is a defunct wiki website, citing a few low-reliability sources in reception, all very poorly formatted and even more poorly referenced (two footnotes, both to the website or affiliates). The only source that seems to offer a veneer of hope here is [1] (Beijing Review) although it is about the website creator and mentions the website in passing, failing WP:SIGCOV. No zh or other interwiki. I fear for now this fails WP:GNG. Can anyone dig sources (in Chinese, perhaps) to rescue this? My BEFORE is not helpful, generic name of the website is not helping either. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Websites, and China. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Citadeol(talk) 18:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Chinese rock as a definite ATD. Nate • (chatter) 19:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Chinese rock#Rock in China (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I added a section about Rock in China to Chinese rock#Rock in China using sources I had found. These sources provide a few sentences of coverage about the subject, which is not sufficient to establish notability under Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. But there is enough material to add a section to the Chinese rock article.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.
Cunard (talk) 07:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Piotrus (talk · contribs) and Citadeol (talk · contribs), would you support a redirect (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I am not pinging MrSchimpf, who has already supported a redirect to Chinese rock as "a definite ATD". Cunard (talk) 07:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cunard Of course, I always support WP:SOFTDELETION over hard if we have a plausible redirect/merge targets. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Cunard (talk) 07:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. My OR using IA suggests the website lasted from ~2005 (our article states 2004 no source) to 2010 (last working IA mirror is here). I cannot find info about them using a copyleft licence (double check). Their 'about us in media' section has the same stuff we did. Beijing Review, chinamusicradar, smartshanghai (blog). They claim to have partnerships with Midi Music Festival and Painkiller (magazine), both of which currently have en wiki articles, and which could have see alsos to the relevant article (if it survives deletion) or section (if it does not). Maybe someone will find this useful. PS. I think we can use their about page linked above which has a 'history of website' section to add a referenced claim to the article/section that it existed from 2004 to at least 2010. And that it begun as an initative of the Painkiller magazine, which makes it also another plausuble merge target. PPS. Less good news is that neither the festival nor the magazine seem to meet GNG in the current state and could merit discussion at AfD, sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I've added more information about the website's founding and operation through 2010 to the subsection. This information could live at Chinese rock#Rock in China, Painkiller (magazine), or Midi Music Festival. Cunard (talk) 08:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Best to keep it in Rock... article. I am not sure how long those other articles will leave, given their GNG issues (I have not done any BEFORE yet and I fear review of Chinese sources would be needed...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some content and sources to Painkiller (magazine) to show its notability. Based on page 125 of this doctoral thesis, Painkiller was discussed on at least pages 151–152 of:
Campbell, Jonathan. 2011, Red Rock: The Long Strange March to Chinese Rock & Roll, Hong Kong: Earnshaw Books Limited.
which I do not have access to. I could not find copies of the book in Google Books or Open Library. I did a search for "Painkiller" in the "Read sample" section of this Amazon link for the book and it said the word "Painkiller" was mentioned on pages 99, 106, 112, 151, 152, 153, and 157, but I do not have access to any of those pages. Cunard (talk) 09:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Chinese rock § Rock in China as WP:ATD-R, as the article covers the website now thanks to Cunard's suggestion and edits. —siro χ o 08:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.