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The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 08:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SFContario[edit]

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Un-notable convention. There is *nothing* that convention notable, its not the largest, people wernt shot during it and it hasnt recieved any major coverage.   «l| Promethean ™|l»  (talk) 10:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep as nominator is mass-nominating a long list of science fiction conventions with the same cookie-cutter rationale, not grounded in facts or policy, without regard to content or sourcing (plus List of science fiction conventions), apparently as a result of this discussion. Notability is not a competition and, um, I was not aware that an event was only notable if it involved people being shot during it. - Dravecky (talk) 11:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually you will find I am chery picking the ones which fail to indicate why they are notable events, not just nominating them all. The category is full of articles designed to promote thier various conventions and im merely using the shot example to demonstrate that ive gone through everything and found nothing.   «l| Promethean ™|l»  (talk) 11:14, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You nominated 13 articles for deletion in 19 minutes so while I'll assume in good faith that you thoroughly investigated each article, searched for sources, and worked to improve the article, as per WP:BEFORE, at less than 2 minutes per article nominated I do have to question how thorough any research might have been. It appears you're making a WP:POINT. - Dravecky (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —Dravecky (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The only item in this laundry list with a valid deletion rationale, even though not well-stated, and clear indicators of non-notability. Just started last year, with no significant independent coverage shown. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Does an event have to have a lot of media coverage to be notable? I don't think so. Some famous writers attended the first one, including Robert J. Sawyer and Michael Swanwick. It's new, not as well known or established as Ad Astra, another Toronto convention, but it is comparable to it. Give it a few years, and it will be covered more in the media. Flow (talk) 04:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've always found the idea that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball fairly compelling. We should judge things for what they are, not what they might become. Note that I'm not arguing for deletion, merely pointing out that we can't know what media coverage the event will have in five years. /Julle (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I can't vote here because I have a conflict of interest, so I'll just provide information for this discussion:
  • SFContario 2 is also Canvention 31, the site of the Aurora Awards, Canada's national science fiction awards. It is also hosting the ballot for the Canadian Unity Fan Fund, which will bring a well-known fan from Western Canada to Canvention (i.e. SFContario) this year.
  • I don't think mundane media are good at or even relevant in covering the science fiction community. A simple Google search shows thousands of hits, with pages of con reports from attendees (including well-known writers and fans) talking about the convention as a noteworthy event.

I had a list of a couple dozen media hits on the blog, but the blog is temporarily down due to a problematic web migration, and everyone's getting ready for Ad Astra this week. We'll have more references this week. When I was active in editing Wikipedia, I would put a notability tag on a page first, to give people who did know the subject time to do research, that's just basic etiquette. I believe most science fiction conventions are generally noteworthy as important community events; obviously some are better known than others, but I thought the Wikipedia standard was "notable", not "relatively more notable in the subjective judgement of a couple of editors". Avt tor (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The fact that SFContario hosted the Aurora Awards makes it notable. Simonm223 (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is hosting the Auroras this year actually. Though last year we hosted the Aurora nominee pin ceremony, presenting pins to everyone in Ontario who had been nominated for an Aurora in past years.Avt tor (talk) 17:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I suppose there might be a valid argument for deleting something that came rapid-fire and without proofreading, but I really hope we're not at the point that armed violence is necessary to make a cultural gathering worth a Wikipedia article. As for "it's not the largest," size isn't everything, and we aren't that short on space here. Vicki Rosenzweig (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep  Unscintillating (talk) 00:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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