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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding "votes" to delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sacred Oath[edit]

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I have not been able to find anything to source anything in the article with, Googling for the band and "Bethel", "metal", or "world on fire". There is no record on a notable label, no hits, nothing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a few citations. Also, according to their website [:http://sacredoath.net/world-on-fire-climbs-to-8-on-itunes/] the new album peaked at #8 on the itunes metal chart. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Canvassing notice: I've asked User:Blackmetalbaz and User:Cannibaloki, both certified metalheads, to have a look at the article and the AfD; they know much better than I do how to evaluate the sources added by Markvs88 (BTW, thanks for those). Drmies (talk) 21:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The article is now appropriately sourced. Markvs88 (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete None of the references provided are independent coverage from independent reliable sources as asked for in wp:music. I found none either. iTunes charts are not WP:GOODCHARTS. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn due to below sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Disputed. The article has 12 right now, which is more than 2 (the minimum). However, now that I'm aware of the WP:MUSIC, I've added some of their "good" sources (which to me look useless, but whatever). Would you now reconsider your vote? Markvs88 (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • and which do you think is "good" sources? duffbeerforme (talk) 14:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article already passed the bar for Wikipedia:Notability (music) with www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net & www.thrashmag.com. IMO the www.freedb.org & bmi references are window dressing -- virtually no one will get anything out of them by clicking on them. Now up to 14 citations. Markvs88 (talk) 16:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

blabbermouth might be good so taht might be one good source. www.thrashmag.com is "publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves" so doesn't count www.freedb.org and bmi are not non trivial coverage in independent reliable sources. The count of citations means nothing, it's their content. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which I have no arguement with, but this AfD was started when there were zero sources. Do you still consider the article somehow lacking, and if so, why? This isn't "my" article, and I really don't have much affinity for the group other than it's a CT article and that they are notable. Markvs88 (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Markvs, but none of the references you added pass the bar at WP:RS. Duff is correct. And Blabbermouth, those are somewhat trustworthy notifications at best, but it's really just a noticeboard for press releases. Now, Loki, below, has added some more relevant stuff. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Canvassing notice 2: As there has been little activity, I've added a link to this discussion on WikiProject Connecticut . Markvs88 (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. —Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular ^talk 01:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral, please consider reading "Sacred Oath: Not Bon Jovi" (The Ridgefield Press) and "Sacred Oath plays Heirloom Arts Theatre in Danbury" (The News-Times).--Cannibaloki 02:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks Loki--those are the most reliable sources the article has seen. I personally don't think it's enough right now (two articles in twenty-three years), but it's definitely more than there was before. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I found reviews of Sacred Oath, A Crystal Vision, Darkness Visible, and Till Death Do Us Part on Allmusic.--Cannibaloki 02:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Loki, you think it passes now? (And can you stick your sources in the article, please, and rewrite it, and give me credit for GA status?) Drmies (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Keep, I'll see what I can do.--Cannibaloki 00:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• I accept Loki's verdict: nomination withdrawn. Thanks Loki--but this is hardly a GA yet. Get back to work! Drmies (talk) 00:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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