The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Xclamation point 01:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Kay (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Classic WP:BLP1E; if it were not for the University Challenge brou-ha-ha, this would be a speedy since there's nothing outside that however, I believe a PROD would be resisted, so to save time, I bring this here for a decision. Rodhullandemu 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• There's going to be nothing relevant in this article that can't just as well go in the University Challenge 2009 article (indeed, it is somewhat perverse to expect readers of that article to have to click through to this article as well) so merge and redirect. --79.71.234.130 (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, but as an article documenting the University Challenge event (I don't think there's an article on this yet), not about the contestant. Most of the article is about the disqualification anyway, and I think there's enough interest in this event to warrant an article (unless it can be squeezed into the main article, in which case possible Merge). Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, missed above point. Redirect to University Challenge 2009. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this bio comes under the category of fifteen minutes of fame; see also Gail Trimble. . .Rcawsey (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The University Challenge article says everything that needs to be said about the man and the incident. Belasted (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: as the nominator says, this person has received coverage for a single event and as such (per WP:BLP1E) doesn't warrant a stand-alone biography. Would advocate merging into University Challenge, but the incident already has sufficient coverage (a paragraph) there. Gonzonoir (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I believe it is important to have an article on the contestant in question. ISD (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The above editor is the article creator. Perhaps it would be a good idea for the person to explain why it is important. Belasted (talk) 21:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Alright. Considering the fact that it is an important news item, and that there are articles covering other people in scandals on other game shows, I do not see the point in not covering Sam Kay. ISD (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to labour the point, but Fame != Notability, and vice versa. --Rodhullandemu 23:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article on that 13 year old who was the putative father of the baby was deleted on similar grounds.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For my suggestion, see what I have typed at the nomination of the article on Gail Trimble for deletion. Rather than delete the information on these people, why not start a new article on something like "Notable Contestants on University Challenge" and redirect both articles there? For a more detailed account, see what I have suggested at the Gail Trimble nomination for deletion. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sod it. Just delete the bloody thing. I'm not going to win this argument. ISD (talk) 07:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Classic WP:BLP1E, as the nom says. The whole incident is worth a couple of lines in the University Challenge 2009 article, no more than that. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to University Challenge 2009#Notable events and press coverage. There's nothing on this article that realistically can't be found there (probably). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 23:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, obviously, for exactly the same reasons as its sister article. – iridescent 23:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/Merge/Redirect - Delete the article after merging any relevant information into University Challenge 2009, then create a redirect to that article. You know, I had a nasty suspicion someone would create this article after the news on this whole sorry affair broke yesterday, but this is a classic case of WP:BLP1E and this person is not notable otherwise. TheRetroGuy (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Not independently notable, the article basically says nothing about him, it is all about the DQ. Merge any useful content into "University Challenge".--Wehwalt (talk) 23:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. per nom. Kevin (talk) 00:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete classic WP:BLP1E and another reason why game show contestants shouldn't have articles - cover the show, not the bozos making fools of themselves trying to get rich and/or famous. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Editors should not equate this article with the one on Gail Trimble. Trimble became notable, in my view, because of her own skills and success, which generated wide interest in her as a person and could lead to her continuing notability (not getting into that argument here). Kay was not as notable as an "ordinary" member of the same team, and is only possibly notable now because of the implications of what he did, i.e. misinterpreting the rules. There's a significant difference between the two cases, in my view. If this article were to be deleted, it would not be inconsistent to keep the one on Trimble. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, classic case of single event five minute wonder. Wikipedia is not a news service. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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