The result was no consensus. and none likely to emerge in the next few days. To be honest, the topic is too close to the surface of many emotions right now to have a fair neutral evaluation of notability. Whether or not he should be merged can be discussed on the relevant talk pages, and this article can be re nominated at some time in the future if necessary. StarM 02:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The reason I am bringing this to AfD rather than flagging it as a speedy deletion is that we are getting many of these pages created at present after the Mumbai atrocities. My feeling is that one must do more to be notable than die, however unfortunately, in a terrorist attack. However this may be seen as a churlish view if expressed simply by multiple speedy deletion nominations. I am open to this AfD being extended to include all such articles as they are created unless the person is otherwise notable. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I would like to know more about him and deleting this is not a good idea.
Similarly, we need in-depth sources, documenting this person's life and works. Your second source gives no biographical information about this person at all. There's not a single mention of this person's life and works anywhere in it. Uncle G (talk) 21:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
P.S.: Although I do not generally include personal comments in AfD discussions, however if there can be an article on Daniel Pearl, Afzal Ansari, then this shouldn't be a problem.--Sainik1 (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As for the notability requirements, the most relevant guide line applicable here is WP:BIO1E and hence we will have to see whether the person passes WP:BIO1E. It says "When a person is associated with only one event, such as for a particular relatively unimportant crime or for standing for governmental election, consideration needs to be given to the need to create a standalone article on the person." Clearly the event associated with the person is not unimportant by any measures. Then it says "If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography may be unwarranted." That is, it does not say it is unwarranted.
Further, it says "Information on the person should generally be included in the article on the event itself, unless the sources have written primarily about the person, and only secondarily about the event." There are reliable sources which are primarily written about the person, like [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34] Salih (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The only part of your counterargument that is thus relevant is the second sentence, which points to a reliable source, the Times of India, that documents this person's life and works. Ironically, I just edit conflicted with you in asking Gene93k the exact same thing. Uncle G (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the benefit of the established Wikipedia editors who are having difficulty navigating the reams of irrelevancies above, here are the major sources cited here, after an inordinate amount of pushing to do so:
Uncle G (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am unable to understand wiki policy. terrorist is more notable than a martyr. see example terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.
Aminami (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]