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The result was delete. I don't see a consensus for a redirect, but if someone wants to make one after the fact, I wouldn't make a fuss. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sharon Lee Williams[edit]
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This article is about a musician and actor that lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources to justify an article on Wikipedia. The only source provided is an interview in which the subject os one of three singers covered. The article itself makes no great claims to notability with the statement of being an actress and providing no information about any major roles. As a singer, she has provided backing vocals and sung commercial jingles. My own search for sourcing does not turn up any significant coverage. Whpq (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Johnpacklambert: What if that "non-notable" person is involved in many *notable* songs by many *notable* artists? We have pages for the recording engineers. The Black woman who sings? Non-notable. Got it. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The page could use more sources, but it is only a "stub" page at the moment and other editors can improve it. This is a musician (a singer) who has a gold record for Hands Up (Give Me Your Heart). That same song was nominated as best single at the Juno Awards of 1989. There are currently about 25 pages that link to Sharon Lee Williams due to her career as a musician and actress. The page should be improved, not deleted. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- That certainly helps contrinbute towards establishing notability, but there still remains no significant coverage in reliable sources. I would support a redirect to Hands Up (Give Me Your Heart)#Sway version. -- Whpq (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Having a gold record "helps" establish notability? She literally had a top ten hit record in her country. What does the woman have to do to be notable? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 18:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I would expect some for of coverage about her beyond and interview which all that has been presented. I looked and could not find any. If you are aware of such coverage, please present it. notable has a specific meaning on Wikipedia apart of the standard dictionary definition. It is the criteria by which a standalone article on Wikipedia is suitable. -- Whpq (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked at the first few Canadian singer stubs. So Bec Abbot is notable because unknown Christian blogs wrote about her? And Addictiv is notable because of her record company bio? But Sharon Lee Williams, who has a Juno award nomination, a gold record, a top ten single, and has sung on world famous songs, is not notable because *you* can't find sources? That seems strange. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read WP:Other stuff exists. Wikipedia is not obligated to maintain the loose standards of the past on into the future. Those articles should be improved or deleted. Wikipedia does not engage in advocacy, no matter how noble the cause.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm curious about your reference to "advocacy". Do you mean because I pointed out that Sharon Lee Williams is a Black woman? And that Black people and women are underrepresented on Wikipedia? And that one of the reasons for that might be because Black people and women are underrepresented in the media, so sources may be harder to find? That's not advocacy - those are just statements of well-documented facts. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 20:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- No it's not because I cannot find sources to establish notability. It's because nobody, including you, the article creator cannot find the sourcing for notability. Whpq (talk) 00:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- To be honest, I haven't really tried to find more sources. I have no doubt about the notability of someone with a gold record for a top ten hit single, and it's just a stub page. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - my WP:BEFORE search came up short of GNG. Unless anyone can point me in the direction of some good sources to meet this, we shouldn't retain. Keep !votes are based purely on WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or redirect on the basis of sourcing and notability. Entire article appears to be based on a single interview on a one-man-show website. The Web is full of interviews. Somebody needs to check the criteria for a notable musician and find more reliable sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and frankly I'd back a speedy. The article significantly lacks sources and significant coverage. I did not find anything to the contrary, nor should it be allowed to exist in main space based on WP:WAX arguments. Megtetg34 (talk) 05:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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