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The result was delete - a combination of borderline notability and dubious sources pushes this across the line.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Single File (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

My Best Defense (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links) added to nom - crz crztalk 05:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contested prod: Non notable band, fails WP:MUSIC, has yet to publish their first album (and on what label?). No independent resources, the 55 distinct google hits for single file plus my best defense[1] give no more info. No more info or confirmation of the Ed Rose connection (32 distinct Google hits, most from myspace[2]) Fram 20:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:BAND, non-notable. Hello32020 21:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Weak keep as above. Maybe come back when/if the Vans thing transpires with the album release. And then only if a fan thinks they are worthy. Bubba hotep 22:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Seems there is more info out there than at first is obvious. Bubba hotep 07:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: could you specify to what info you refer? The only thing I'm aware of is AMG, and that is hardly enough to be deemed notable. I still don't see how this band meets WP:MUSIC in a verifiable way (the long post by the band, while possibly correct, is not verifiable: no major reviews, no major releases, no important awards, chartings, ...: all wehave is a tour that has apparently gone completely unnoticed by the music press). Fram 09:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the AMG thing was a big factor. It is deemed a reliable source insomuch as it can be used in the "Reviews" section of an album infobox, therefore it should be deemed worthy of at least hinting at notability. Don't get me wrong, this is still a borderline case, hence the weak keep. Bubba hotep 09:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Allright, the AMG article is indeed their strongest claim. Fram 10:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep the article asserts national tours, and AllMusic Guide also cites "a handful of national tours". That's enough to qualify under WP:BAND, criterion 3. I'm a little concerned about verifiability, but from what I can see, they do meet the requirements (albeit barely). Xtifr _tälk 23:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: AMG also mentions the Ed Rose connection. And AMG is generally considered a moderately reliable source (better than a random blog, at any rate).  :) Xtifr _tälk 23:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep 47,000 MySpace fans and over 1.3 million plays, completing the entire Warped Tour circuit this year plus other national tours? Sounds notable to me. Verifiability might be helped if someone can track down the issue of Asylum Magazine that lists them along with bands like Copeland, Story of the Year, Brand New, and The Pixies as one of the top 50 bands of the year; I can't seem to find it online. Chubbles1212 00:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI don't care about myspace, and "Asylum magazine" for the moment is a myspace only "magazine" which hopes to get a printable version, and later to get on the magazine racks... [3]. So, still no verifiable sources, no reviews, ... 20:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, - crz crztalk 05:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: this is what it says on their "tours" on the MySpace:

After that they then have up to present time promoted five national tours (250 out-of-state shows). They did this all themselves seeking no outside help.

Driving around the country by yourself and playing at random bars does not count as a "national tour". They don't list the names of any of their venues. They claim to have played 250 out-of-state gigs, but that's entirely unverifiable. We don't know a thing about them: their mobius-website leads right back to their myspace.

By the way, MySpace is not, has never been, and will never be a reliable source for anything! It doesn't matter if they have four million friends on MySpace, that just means they know where the "add to friends" button is. This is the second time this week I've seen a MySpace defense of a band's notability on AfD; if the best source for a band is MySpace, that's a pretty clear indicator that the article should be deleted.

And as for Warped Tour, playing stage two at a music festival does not count as having a national tour.

Fails notability standards and verifiability policy. - Che Nuevara 06:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment and Update I revamped the wording and added several sources. They've been cited for having a nationwide following and have gotten regular airplay on a Denver radio station. They're also headlining on their latest tour. Chubbles1212 06:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The first source (denver.yourhub.com) is a user submission site, so not reliable according to WP:V. The second one (campuuscircle.net) seems borderline, I'll let other people decide that one. I have not seen the confirmation that they are "headlining on their latest tour", and airplay on one radio station fails WP:MUSIC, just like one (to be released) album. Thanks for adding the sources, but to me they still are not notable enough. Fram 08:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Even with the re-write it still fails WP:MUSIC, still is a NN band.SkierRMH 09:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment "Driving around the country by yourself and playing at random bars does not count as a "national tour" - (User:CheNuevara). Why not? If theyre booked for every night and you have an itinerary why is it random? I though WP:Music just required that the tour is independently verified, but no stipulations on the size of venue or on who books the tour. Amists ^{talk • contribs} 11:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, technically, but in this case, where are the verifiable concert reviews? They were booked on the Warped tour (played apparently 2 concerts in 2005, and an unknown number in 2006), and none of their performances has been noticed in the professional music press or in the mainstream press. And being reported is explicitly included in the "national tour" line of WP:MUSIC, so they still fail that... Fram 13:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails WP:MUSIC. The band is only 3 years old, and completly fail to assert any notability. scope_creep 15:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is VERY shaky under WP:MUSIC but completely fails WP:V, WP:RS and is STILL not notable. According to Amists, if I rock out on my guitar and travel to 10 states and get booked, I'm worthy of an article? --Elaragirl ||||||^Talk|Count 16:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment your "personal tour" would be unlikely to merit mention in a source like allmusic guide. (And if it did, maybe you should get an article. But I'm not holding my breath.:) Xtifr _tälk 01:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Proposal. I think that this band would meet WP:MUSIC if it met WP:V (and allmusic asserting national tours makes it a borderline case in the first place). I'd be willing to try and shepherd this article a little bit, and try and find some print sources (trawling Google is a terrible way to verify things, anyway). I'd like to propose that the AfD be 86'd with no consensus for the time being; I just need more than three days to do this (I have exams!). And if anyone else is willing to help, it would be appreciated. Chubbles1212 16:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can always recreate the article when the band gets more notable or when notabiltity is verified. I don't think a "no consensus" is correct when the current consensus is clearly going to delete. Fram 20:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two things. One, the yourhub article, I believe, was published in some print source, which I'm still trying to track down (I don't live in Denver). Two, If you check the 8 Most Wanted on KTCL's webpage for this week, Single File is #7. [4] So, if I can exhume the yourhub article, that's three sources asserting national exposure (which meets criterion 3 of WP:MUSIC), and two sources asserting rotation on a major national ClearChannel station (which meets criterion 11 of WP:MUSIC). I'm willing to continue to look into this to try and find other sources; since the article is already here, and someone is actively working on verification, isn't it better to just say Wikipedia is not paper, slap an unsourced tag on the page, and close the AfD pending further research? Just to pose the flip side of the coin, we can always come back in a few weeks and delete it if nothing comes up. Chubbles1212 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criterion 11 is: "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." Being played in Denver <> rotation nationally, so it does clearly not meet criterion 11. Fram 06:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes a major radio network, if not being in rotation on a high-wattage ClearChannel station in a city with a metro population of two million plus? Chubbles1212 06:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KTCL is one radio station from a major radio network, not a complete network. If it would be in rotation across similar Clear Channel stations across the USA, then it would be "played in rotation nationally by any major radio network". Now it is "played regionally by one radio station of a major radio network". I hope the difference is clear. Fram 06:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i find it funny how much effort is going into this. a fan notified us of this pending deletion; i'd be happy to clear things up. you can be the judge (national vs. "bar band").

In the past 2+ years we've been a full-time band, we've pulled off the following:

-6 US tours,over 300 shows and counting -Completed ALL of 2006 Vans Warped Tour -Completed 2 weeks of 2005 Vans Warped Tour -All tours completely self-booked and promoted -Nearly 1.4 million plays on myspace.com (over 10,000 plays daily) -Nearly 48,000 friends on myspace.com -Featured artist on myspace.com twice in a single year -Shared the stage with such acts as Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, The Gym Class Heroes, Waking Ashland, Sherwood, The Higher, The Summer Obsession, The Afters, Over It, and many more. Will also be playing as main support for Snow Patrol on 12/5/2006 @ the Fillmore Auditorium in Denver (3,600 capacity hall)... -Single 'Zombies Ate My Neighbors' now in full roration on Denver Clear Channel station 93.3 KTCL, recieving a 99% positive listener feedback rating (hasn't happened in history of station), as well as more requests than the last unsigned band they put into full rotation back in 2004...The Fray. The song (as of this week) is now in the second tier of rotation, and currently KTCL's number 8 song and climbing. -Songs featured on ESPN and FOX Sports ("Best Damn Sports Show Period") -Sold through 7,000 copies of our current EP 'My Best Defense' (released: 5/05) -Self produced/recorded 3 EP's, and; -Completed debut full length album under famed indie producer Ed Rose (Motion City Soundtrack, Senses Fail, Emery, The Get Up Kids, Brandtson, Reggie & The Full Effect, etc.)... -Ranked #2 (above Ben Gibbard) in the alternative radio charts in the "A&R Worldwide Music & Media Newsletter - October 9th, 2006"

nope, we don't have a website. nope, we don't have a label, though we're in talks with 3 of the biggest labels in the world (including virgin and epic), and several indies (including doghouse).

here are some sources, feel free to contact them (as well as any venues listed below):

ed rose (producer, www.edrose.com): ed@blacklodgerecording.com KTCL (top denver clear channel station): ericclouse@clearchannel.com (eric clouse, music director) kevin lyman (head of warped tour): kevinwarped@aol.com asylum (magazine): atari@asylummagazine.com (laura cleveland) yourhumb.com (news paper): daviss@yourhub.com (seth davis) colorado music buzz (magazine, print): 303.797.1800 (we've been featured several times) broomfield enterprize (magazine, print): kathryn.richert@gmail.com lyrics featured in worldwide distributed "revolution on canvas 2" - chris@wethepeoplerecords.net (chris haynie) sodajerk (local promoter, verify sold out shows): mike@sodajerkpresents.com

there are many, many more, but these are off the top of my head. please feel free to contact me for more...(email below)

lastly, here's our tour history (from old to new) -- please note we've played over 35 shows since this list was generated, several of which we headlined and sold out:

06/02/2004 - Canoga Park, CA - The Cobalt 06/28/2004 - Hollywood, CA - Knitting Factory (front bar) 07/02/2004 - Hollywood, CA - The Cat Club 07/06/2004 - Hollywood, CA - ClubLingerie 07/21/2004 - Canoga Park, CA - The Cobalt 08/01/2004 - Denver, CO - Larimer Lounge 08/02/2004 - Arvada, CO - Pink-E's 08/03/2004 - Arvada, CO - La Dolce Vita 08/04/2004 - Denver, CO - 15th St. Tavern 08/06/2004 - Fort Collins, CO - The Starlight 08/26/2004 - Universal City, CA - Hard Rock Cafe 09/03/2004 - Universal City, CA - Universal Bar & Grill 09/06/2004 - Los Angeles, CA - The Good Hurt 09/17/2004 - Old Town Pasadena, CA - The Equator 09/26/2004 - Universal City, CA - Universal Bar & Grill 10/20/2004 - Los Angeles, CA - The Good Hurt 11/04/2004 - Los Angeles, CA - USC Mega Show

• Winter tour 2004/2005:

12/13/2004 - Santa Barbara, CA - The Velvet Jones 12/14/2004 - Hollywood, CA -Knitting Factory (front bar) 12/15/2004 - San Diego, CA - Dream Street 12/16/2004 - Las Vegas, NV - The Boston 12/17/2004 - Albuquerque, NM - The Atomic Cantina 12/18/2004 - Denver, CO - 15th St. Tavern 12/22/2004 - Arvada, CO - La Dolce Vita 12/23/2004 - Denver, CO - The Hard Rock 12/28/2004 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 12/29/2004 - Cedar Falls, IA - The Reverb 12/30/2004 - Saint Louis, MO - Off Broadway 12/31/2004 - Chapel Hill, NC - Local 506 01/03/2005 - New Orleans, LA - The Neutral Ground 01/04/2005 - Austin, TX - Redrum 01/05/2005 - Oklahoma City, OK - The Conservatory 01/07/2005 - Phoenix, AZ - The Emerald 01/08/2005 - Hollywood, CA - Knitting Factory (alterknit)

• Misc 2005...

01/23/2005 - Universal City, CA - Universal Bar & Grill 03/04/2005 - Tucson, AZ - Gameworks 03/05/2005 - Tempe, AZ - ASU 03/06/2005 - Phoenix, AZ - Willow House Coffee 03/11/2005 - Studio City, CA - Global Cafe 03/13/2005 - Marina Del Rey, CA - Brennan's 03/31/2005 - Hollywood, CA - Knitting Factory (front bar) 04/09/2005 - Burbank, CA - Que's River Bottom 04/13/2005 - Los Angeles, CA - Ground Zero (USC) 04/14/2005 - Hollywood, CA - The Hotel Cafe 04/23/2005 - Los Angeles, CA - USC's Relay For Life

• Summer tour 2005...

06/28/2005 - Santa Barbara, CA - The Wildcat Lounge 06/29/2005 - Hollywood, CA - Knitting Factory (front bar) 06/30/2005 - San Diego, CA - Brick by Brick 07/01/2005 - Tucson, AZ - Gameworks 07/02/2005 - Phoenix, AZ - The Emerald 07/03/2005 - Sedona, AZ - The Raven Heart 07/05/2005 - Las Vegas, NV - Brewed Awakening 07/06/2005 - Bakersfield, CA - Studio 99 07/07/2005 - Fresno, CA - The Belmont 07/09/2005 - San Jose, CA - Tower Records 07/09/2005 - Campbell, CA - The C-Spot 07/10/2005 - Campbell, CA - The Gaslighter 07/11/2005 - Oroville, CA - Mug Shots 07/12/2005 - Portland, OR - The Paris Theatre 07/14/2005 - Missoula, MT - Higgins Hall 07/15/2005 - Bozeman, MT - Vans Warped Tour '05 07/16/2005 - Salt Lake City, UT - Vans Warped Tour '05 07/17/2005 - Denver, CO - Vans Warped Tour '05 07/18/2005 - Arvada, CO - La Dolce Vita 07/19/2005 - Denver, CO - 15th Street Tavern 07/20/2005 - Durango, CO - The Abbey Theater 07/21/2005 - Amarillo, TX - The Nat Ballroom 07/22/2005 - Oklahoma City, OK - The Showroom 07/23/2005 - Dallas, TX - The Door (main stage) 07/24/2005 - Austin, TX - The Whiskey 07/25/2005 - Houston, TX - The Southmore House 07/26/2005 - Bton Rouge, LA - The Darkroom 07/28/2005 - Jackson, MS - W.C. Don's 07/29/2005 - Memphis, TN - Tower Records 08/01/2005 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 08/02/2005 - Nashville, TN - The 5 Spot 08/03/2005 - Birmingham, AL - Upsidedown Plaza 08/06/2005 - Gainesville, FL - Tim & Terry's 08/07/2005 - Orlando, FL - Vans Warped Tour '05 08/08/2005 - Jacksonville, FL - Jackrabbits 08/10/2005 - Washington, DC - Vans Warped Tour '05 08/11/2005 - Scranton, PA - Vans Warped Tour '05 08/12/2005 - Concord, NC - Jillian's 08/17/2005 - Chapel Hill, NC - Local 506 08/25/2005 - Lakewood, OH - The Hi-Fi 08/26/2005 - Grand Rapids, MI - 10 Bells 08/27/2005 - Muncie, IN - 525 Wheeling 08/28/2005 - Orland Park, IL - Mojoe's 08/30/2005 - Cedar Falls, IA - The Reverb 09/01/2005 - Hannibal, MO - Jave Jive 09/03/2005 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap

• Misc 2005...

09/10/2005 - Scottsbluff, NE - The Underground 09/11/2005 - Arvada, CO - La Dolce Vita

• Fall tour 2005 (#1)...

09/22/2005 - Denver, CO - The Climax Lounge 09/23/2005 - Gunnison, CO - The Alamo 09/24/2005 - South Jordan, UT - The Blue Note 09/25/2005 - Elko, NV - Brew's Brother's 09/26/2005 - Reno, NV - Tower Records 09/27/2005 - Oroville, CA - Mugshots 09/28/2005 - San Jose, CA - San Jose Skate 09/29/2005 - Fresno, CA - Tower Records 09/30/2005 - Bakersfield, CA - Studio 99 10/01/2005 - Isla Vista, CA - UCSB House Party 10/02/2005 - Ventura, CA - The Livery Theatre 10/03/2005 - Los Angeles, CA - Knitting Factory (alterknit) 10/05/2005 - Yorba Linda, CA - Java Joe's 10/07/2005 - Tucson, AZ - Gameworks 10/08/2005 - Flagstaff, AZ - The Lo-Fi 10/10/2005 - Amarillo, TX - The Nat Ballroom 10/11/2005 - Austin, TX - Redrum 10/13/2005 - Norman, OK - OU (Student Union) 10/14/2005 - Lewisville, TX - Fat Daddy's Sound Shack 10/15/2005 - Baton Rouge, LA - The Darkroom 10/17/2005 - Memphis, TN - Tower Records 10/18/2005 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 10/19/2005 - Cedar Falls, IA - The Reverb 10/20/2005 - Omaha, NE - Sokol Underground 10/21/2005 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 10/23/2005 - Arvada, CO - La Dolce Vita

• Misc 2005...

10/31/2005 - Denver, CO - The Climax 11/05/2005 - Denver, CO - The Climax 11/12/2005 - Scottsbluff, NE - The Underground

• Fall tour 2005 (#2)...

11/21/2005 - Denver, CO - The Climax 11/25/2005 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 11/26/2005 - Papillion, NE - The Rock 11/28/2005 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 11/29/2005 - Memphis, TN - University of Memphis 11/30/2005 - Baton Rouge, LA - The Dark Room 12/01/2005 - Houston, TX - Fitzgeralds 12/02/2005 - Austin, TX - Redrum 12/03/2005 - Dallas, TX - The Door (theatre stage) (cont’d on page #2) 12/04/2005 - San Antonio, TX - Cafe Revolucion 12/06/2005 - Amarillo, TX - The Illuminati 12/07/2005 - Albuquerque, NM - The Cell Theatre 12/08/2005 - Flagstaff, AZ - The Campus Coffee Bean 12/09/2005 - Phoenix, AZ - Four White Walls 12/10/2005 - Tucson, AZ - Gameworks 12/11/2005 - San Diego, CA - The Zombie Lounge 12/13/2005 - Hollywood, CA - The Troubadour 12/15/2005 - Bakersfield, CA - Studio 99 12/16/2005 - Las Vegas, CA - The Alley 12/16/2005 - Fresno, CA - The Belmont 12/17/2005 - Cedar City, UT - Hoover Nights 12/19/2005 - Midvale, UI - The Circuit 12/20/2005 - Elko, NV - Brew's Brothers 12/21/2005 - Salt Lake City, UT - Kilby Court 12/22/2005 - Cheyenne, WY - The Tivoli 12/23/2005 - Denver, CO - The Climax

• Misc 2006...

01/07/2006 - Scottsbluff, NE - The Underground 01/19/2006 - Denver, CO - The Bluebird 01/27/2006 - Scottsbluff, NE - The Underground 01/28/2006 - Fort Collins, CO - The Starlight 01/29/2006 - Pueblo, CO - Fortino Ballroom 01/30/2006 - Colorado Springs, CO - Sand Creek HS 01/31/2006 - Castle Rock, CO - Grindwell Skatepark 02/01/2006 - Grand Junction, CO - LIFF Auditorium 02/03/2006 - Albuquerque, NM - The Cell Theatre 02/04/2006 - Amarillo, TX - The Illuminati 02/17/2006 - Brighton, CO - Riverdale Clubhouse 02/18/2006 - Scottsbluff, NE - The Underground 02/25/2006 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 03/11/2006 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 03/18/2006 - Papillion, NE - The Rock 03/21/2006 - Denver, CO - The Gothic Theater 03/24/2006 - Fort Collins, CO - The Starlight

• Spring tour 2006...

04/13/2006 - Littleton, CO - The Ascot Theater 04/14/2006 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 04/15/2006 - Saint Louis, MO - Mississippi Nights 04/17/2006 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 04/18/2006 - Owensboro, KY - The Brother's Pizza 04/19/2006 - Chapel Hill, NC - The Local 506 04/20/2006 - Charleston, SC - Music Farm 04/22/2006 - Pensacola, FL - Sluggo's 04/23/2006 - Baton Rouge, LA - The Darkroom 04/24/2006 - Monroeville, AL - Our Place 04/25/2006 - Shreveport, LA - Flannagans 04/26/2006 - Houston, TX - The White Swan 04/27/2006 - Austin, TX - Redrum 04/28/2006 - Canton, TX - The Mad Goat 04/29/2006 - Dallas, TX - Tower Records 04/29/2006 - Dallas, TX - The Door (theatre stage) 04/30/2006 - Tulsa, OK - The Pinkeye 05/02/2006 - Amarillo, TX - The Illuminati 05/03/2006 - Albuquerque, NM - The Cell Theatre 05/04/2006 - El Paso, TX - The House of Rock & Roll 05/05/2006 - Tucson, AZ - Gameworks 05/06/2006 - Los Angeles, CA - Fais Do Do 05/07/2006 - Bakersfield, CA - Studio 99 05/08/2006 - Fresno, CA - The Belmont 05/09/2006 - Sonoma, CA - Sonoma Valley High School 05/10/2006 - San Jose, CA - San Jose Skate 05/11/2006 - Elko, NV - Brews Brother's 05/12/2006 - Denver, CO - The Bluebird

• Misc 2006...

05/25/2006 - Denver, CO - Rock Island 05/27/2006 - Fort Collins, CO - The Starlight 06/03/2006 - Denver, CO - The Larimer Lounge 06/09/2006 - Albuquerque, NM - Hyperactive Music Festival 06/10/2006 - Amarillo, TX - The Illuminati 06/17/2006 - Centennial, CO - The Lifespot

• Vans Warped Tour 2006...

06/19/2006 - Bonner Springs, KS - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/21/2006 - Nashville, TN - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/22/2006 - Jacksonville, FL - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/23/2006 - St. Petersburg, FL - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/24/2006 - Miami, FL - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/25/2006 - Orlando, FL - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/26/2006 - Ladson, SC - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/27/2006 - Raleigh, NC - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/28/2006 - Atlanta, GA - Vans Warped Tour '06 06/30/2006 - Houston, TX - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/01/2006 - Dallas, TX - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/02/2006 - Selma, TX - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/03/2006 - Las Cruces, TX - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/04/2006 - Phoenix, AZ - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/06/2006 - Chula Vista, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/07/2006 - Pomona, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/08/2006 - San Francisco, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/09/2006 - Fresno, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/11/2006 - Ventura, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/12/2006 - Los Angeles, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/13/2006 - Marysvale, CA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/14/2006 - Boise, ID - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/15/2006 - George, WA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/16/2006 - St. Helens, OR - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/17/2006 - Salt Lake City, UT - Kilby Court 07/21/2006 - Denver, CO - The Climax Lounge 07/23/2006 - Denver, CO - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/25/2006 - Maryland Heights, MO - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/26/2006 - Cincinnati, OH - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/27/2006 - Pittsburgh, PA - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/28/2006 - Noblesville, IN - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/29/2006 - Detroit, MI - Vans Warped Tour '06 07/30/2006 - Tinley Park, IL - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/01/2006 - Darien Center, NY - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/02/2006 - Fitchburg, PA - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/03/2006 - Camden, NJ - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/04/2006 - Scranton, PA - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/05/2006 - Uniondale, NY - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/06/2006 - Englishtown, NJ - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/08/2006 - Charlotte, NC - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/09/2006 - Virginia Beach, VA - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/10/2006 - Bristow, VA - Vans Warped Tour '06 08/11/2006 - Cleveland, OH - Vans Warped Tour '06

• Misc 2006...

08/13/2006 - Hannibal, MO - Java Jive 08/15/2006 - Topeka, KS - The Boobie Trap 08/31/2006 - Denver, CO - The Hi-Dive

hope this helps.

--sloan sloan@singlefilerock.com

• Delete per nom. WMMartin 18:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. And a note on the YourHub mentions above - just to be clear on this, YourHub is a citizen journalism site, with regular users writing their own stories. It is generally NOT based on reputable news sources, and suck links should be treated carefully. TheRealFennShysa 20:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I think at this point, it's clear that the band is notable under WP:MUSIC; the only problem is whether it passes WP:V. Again, I need more time than AfD permits, but I think this band is notable and this article can eventually pass muster. Chubbles1212 20:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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