The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus among non-socks is that this person is not notable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Snazzy the Optimist[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

The entity fails the general notability guideline. The sources used for the entity are directorys such as MusicBrainz and FilmFreeway. Nigerian Tribune would help to establish notability BUT just it can't. The Billboard article says nothing about Snazzy the Optimist, as it wasn't even talking about it in the first place. Lambo Xtra and the Pulse Nigeria article are both paid posts. Others are content farms. Reading Beans ^{Talk to the Beans?} 14:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Nigeria, and South Africa. Reading Beans ^{Talk to the Beans?} 14:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete agree with nom, most sources aren't just what's used to establish notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Plausibly Notable and MusicBrainz used for the entry is only showcasing and supporting the words "Musical artist" as it is in the article, beside MusicBrainz is the 5th source. The references of this article it's clearly talking about the subject and it's clearly plausibly notable, according to the nominator stating some of the sources are paid posts, is not true. No disrespect but i would highly recommend the nominator to systematically review it again, thank you so much. Gelchi (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article should be kept because it meets WP:SINGER, WP:COMPOSER and WP:NALBUMS making it plausibly notable, so article should be kept. He was answering Snazzy before, as a performer he has opened and performed with Grammy and Juno award winning Canadian Italian artist Michael Bubble, because he plays the guitar. This Subject is clearly notable and should be kept.Gelchi (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong keep because the sources I see do grant. Jon Sixtus (talk) 09:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article passes GNG. Oppose deletion because there is evidence of notability, most of the sources are all reliable and the article is well sourced, and the sources including the external links should be considered to pass. I disagree with the nominator with paid posts because nothing is paid there as this artist has been working since 2015, i strongly disagree with the nominator. Keep article John Patrick Harris (talk) 13:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Checkuser note: Gelchi and Jon Sixtus are socks of Snazzymike. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Snazzymike. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I disagree with nom, keep article. This entity passes the Wikipedia notability for music, the artist is notable, the article is well cited and most of the sources used in this article are reliable. Nigerian Tribune is a reliable source for Nigerian musicians, and is Radio Times not a reliable source? 5th best magazine in the UK according to google. Music in Africa is a great reliable source for African musicians and have been used by so many African artists like Dambisa, Cina Soul, Terry Apala and others. Lambo Xtra is also used as a source in this article. The Billboard article is clearly talking about him, the article here says he is better known as Snazzy the Optimist or Snazzy and Michael Buble is a Canadian artist where the entity is based so there is evidence of notability and clear verification that this article’s subject is notable enough to remain here. The directorys the nom is talking about that is used in this article as a source such as MusicBrainz is what shows he is a musical artist, this article is also sourced by a Nigerian newspaper talking about the topic of how he was recognized by Jacob Zuma former president of south africa which was published in 2017. And i think there are so many sources about this artist, Nominating this article for deletion was a big mistake by the nom because the article is qualified to be here and it’s well sourced. I strongly disagree with the nominator, unique name also because he isn’t contesting the name with anyone. This article is related to Former South African President, Jacob Zuma and with my research he also makes Afrobeat which is one of the most popular African music genre in the world and his single charted in the Nigerian iTunes music chart and there is a profile of him in almost all the music magazines, tours, festivals, live music, concerts platforms that have Wikipedia articles also such as Resident Advisor, JamBase, Songkick and many more. This artist have profile in all the leading music database such as AllMusic, Discogs, MusicBrainz, Bandcamp and many more which is used as an external Links in this article but some artistes has used them as sources such as Rajery, Diblo Dibala and others. Oppose deletion and keep article, thank you so much. LynRuch (talk) 01:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Two in-depth, independent, high-quality sources about Mr. Snazzy would assist your comment. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nigerian Tribune (Link) is a reliable source, Billboard, (Link) Radio Times (Link) and others, i also found sources talking about him which i added to the article. I believe this article can make it here and there will be so much improvement on it as time goes on than deleting it. Checking everything you would see that this artist has been pushing. Please keep article as there will be so much improvement on it as time goes on, thank you so much @Malcolmxl5 LynRuch (talk) 07:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LynRuch, I saw your message on my TP and decided to reply here (as I have limited time here). Nigerian Tribune is a reliable source — very reliable, but it was based on what someone said, so, it might as well be counted as primary. On Billboard, the word "Snazzy" was only mentioned in the title and this means that the article was not talking about you, or the guy who paid you to make an article about him on Wikipedia. Radio Times sources is a directory for Christ sake! What’s the content therein? An IMDb link to a Selina music video? That's on you to figure out.

The guy is pushing hard, I must commend him for that, but in this case, it is too soon. Can you point out the composer criteria he meets? cuz I can’t see any. I want to linger on this no more. Whatever the case, I’m not the one to decided IF it will be or not as I am no a system operator. Best, Reading Beans ^{Talk to the Beans?} 08:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You’re seeing, you didn’t even go through the sources before making your decision, i think you need to read this and check the credits of the songs. He has written hits for Nigerian artists, read this i think it’s time the world starts recognizing songwriters/composers too, now you’re bringing in what is not needed here, read what you wrote precisely. Can you show proves that i was paid and do you have any evidence? I think providing it here would be great. Was it me that created the article? What are you talking about for God’s sake? I’m only voting and commenting because i know you didn’t review it very well and you didn’t pass your judgement correctly because this artist passes Wikipedias notability for musicians. The article is well sourced and it’s clearly talking about the subject. The artist is plausible notable and there will be improvement of it as time goes on than deleting it. Please could you take a look at it again and stop trying to say what is not needed in this discussion. God bless you and please do have a blessed day Reading Beans. LynRuch (talk) 09:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Billboard "article" is about Michael Buble and only has a paragraph in total, Snazzy is an aside. The rest of the "sources" are about as useless as that. They prove he exists, but nothing that helps us show notability for wiki standards. Oaktree b (talk) 20:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: While I enjoy the enthusiasm by LynRuch and the other accounts that have been blocked for socking to vote keep on this article i will disagree with them. Tribune Online as they stated maybe considered an WP:RS if only it is published by an Editor or Staff Writer due to high volume of sponsored post. The second source which i almost got fooled, is Billboard (magazine) makes mention of the word "snazzy" which means "stylish" and not Snazzy the Optimist or any song he wrote or featured in. If you check carefully you will not see another mention of "Snazzy" in that article. Some of the sources are just blogs, i can go on and on but round it off with, you can almost get fooled by the sources to think he passes notability guidelines. As earlier said by User:Reading Beans it is too soon so don't push it. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings Jamiebuba, from your own perspective you think deleting this article would be as sweet as you think or keeping it for improvement? i searched this artist, the contents on his Google panel as a musician worth having a Wikipedia page. this article is in good shape, understandable when reading and have most of the reliable sources that most Nigerian artistes page is sourced with. Plausibly notable and he clearly passes WP:SINGER, WP:COMPOSER if you have gone through the sources. I think some of the articles about him are not all showing up on google because i could see short mentions about him, maybe because he was recording under the Snazzy moniker before or. Most of the sources in this article are verifiable and the article isn’t in promotional tone, i support keeping this article for improvement than deleting it and with the look of things i think potentiality should be considered too, How about keeping this article and see how it improves. Thank you so much and please do enjoy your day Jamie. LynRuch (talk) 12:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to work on it, you can request for it to be Draftified and agree that you will submit it through Wikipedia:Articles for creation when you think it is ready to be kept in mainspace. For now, it is not a viable option to be accepted into mainspace if not we'd have so many junks there. Jamiebuba (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should be hastily deleted, this is getting silly. The fellow is hardly notable and this is turning into WP:SNOW Oaktree b (talk) 20:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: The article is a stub and is definitely going to be improved in no time, additional sources would be added soon, it is only a "stub" page at the moment and other editors can improve it. This is a musician who has caught the notice of a president and have had his single charted. The article is purely non promotional and catching the attention of a president is a big pull, keep as a potential article that would be improved. TalkTalkTwins (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article hasn't been improved, that's another issue, despite the strong opinions, nothing notable has been added. Oaktree b (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The page is improving now and i know with time there will be much more improvement. LynRuch (talk) 08:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have noticed the trend of stale accounts coming in to comment keep, either the article creator is canvassing for votes or socking but either ways it can't be far from that. Jamiebuba (talk) 09:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which only helps to prove it is not notable. Oaktree b (talk) 13:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You are absolutely wrong Jamiebuba, the article creator and the socks accounts has been identified by a checkuser and their votes were struck. I don’t believe what you said that the article creator is canvassing for votes, you mean he or she leaving real life issues and be canvassing for votes? Not possible!! God bless you and please do enjoy your time. LynRuch (talk) 13:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep much more notable than some of the artistes articles i have read, everything was written with good citations and as some of the voters here has said keep it for improvement i aggree with them, according to WP:COMPOSER and Wiki:Criteria for musicians which states a songwriter, musician or ensemble maybe notable if the meet at least one of the 12 listed criterias.

This musician met number one WP:COMPOSER and number two of WP:MUSICBIO, Being recognized by a president was a big event that also meets to stay in wikipedia. some musicians are also notable in their own, some musicians do not need to work with Beyonce before they can be called notable or have article on wikipedia. The nominator should understand that not all articles on Wikipedia is meant for deletion, some maybe stubs and can be improved with time. Excalatory Vocian EV 🦋💞☑️ 08:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I would like further comments from editors who are NOT sock puppets and who do not have a potential conflict of interest with the subject.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Taking another look at this (which I assumed had been closed), still no sources. The only hit I find is in Pulse Nigeria, that's it. Still a strong delete due to lack of reliable sources and the extensive socking as above. Oaktree b (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don’t delete Passes Wikipedia’s General notability for musicians, the nominator should be interested in improving some articles not nominating them, that makes a good editor. I think he or she should know that there are some important subjects that worths staying on Wikipedia. This article is currently a stub like the other opposers of this deletion said, it’s a stub at the moment and will definitely be improved. Keep as a potential article that will be improved. LynRuch (talk) 02:06, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LynRuch, did you read the article before citing it? I mean the 13th reference on the page THIS. It does not relate to it the entity in question. Best, RB ^{Talk to the Beans?} 06:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Reading Beans, the citation is related to the entity’s sister and what she does, had to cite it for readers to understand and had to add the citation because it’s clearly talking about the mention of the entity’s sister in the article. You could also help by contributing to the page’s improvement. Blessings and please do enjoy yourself, LynRuch (talk) 07:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.