- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. Liz Read! Talk! 19:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Almost the entire reception are entirely made of listicles/passing mentions that amount to WP:REFBOMB. Cannot find a single WP:SIGCOV somehow. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 11:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. There’s some decent info about the development of the character even if like most vg characters he’s not independently notable. Dronebogus (talk) 22:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Honestly surprised he didn't take off as a character, but as others have pointed out elsewhere his unfortunate naming certainly didn't help and the character didn't have the impact I believe everyone expected he would when the games were first announced beyond "Wait, why is he in Soulcalibur?"--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- He was overshadowed by his more famous brother Base Starkiller Dronebogus (talk) 06:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I agree with the article being delisted as GA, but I disagree with the nom's assertion that the reception is "entirely" made up of listicles and passing mentions. For example, Polygon referred to him as "Star Wars' last great video game character" in a full length article, which denotes his importance. His name is referenced in Star Wars canon, which raised the character's profile beyond most of his expanded universe ilk. As Dronebogus have conceded, there is in fact decent information about the character's development. Is he independently notable? The aggregate coverage about the character's development and reception appears to be meet the threshold of significant coverage, certainly more so then Starkiller Base which does not even have an article devoted to the concept. Haleth (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I checked the Polygon article previously and you'd think it would have more of substance, but the title ironically has more commentary than the article itself. It's largely just a plot summary of what happened to him, and I would not call it "full length". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- As per comment above, I think Polygon is the only useful source at the article somehow. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 23:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Like Haleth, I believe that the "aggregate coverage about the character's development and reception appears to be meet the threshold of significant coverage", as shown in the amount of reception fullfilling WP:WHYN. In addition, The Best of Star Wars Insider Volume 4, p. 23, Myth, Media, and Culture in Star Wars, p. 146 and Spielerische Fiktionen, p. 286, all have some commentary on the character. Daranios (talk) 10:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Is the first not a WP:PRIMARY source? "Star Wars Insider" states it is an official magazine and would have an obvious reason to write about Starkiller, amongst other characters. The others appear to be small mentions in the context of a plot summary, though I don't speak German so I cannot ultimately be 100% sure about the last one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zxcvbnm: Being a character in fiction, I'd say the games and related pieces of fiction are the primary sources, and the magazine is a secondary one. However, it would be a non-independant one (and an interview), so presumably that one source does not count towards notability (but nonetheless as reliable). But the other two should, and none of them is a listicle or passing mention - the main points of critique by the nominator. All three have commentary beyond plot summary, and the interview with the voice actor about the creative process for the character is relevant in that regard. Daranios (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. What is there could be improved, but I feel like it barely reaches GNG in its current state. In my search, I've noticed articles about Starkiller that would constitute sigcov. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. From the demonstrated sources, I am unconvinced SIGCOV from secondary sources exists for this character. While they are claimed to be significant, this is not borne out from my examination of them. Therefore I must vehemently agree this character should be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per Zxcvbnm. There is some grey area with how Wikipedia handles listicles, but "10 Of The Most Overpowered Force Users In Star Wars Legends, Ranked" or " "Top 25 Gaming Hunks" don't count for much. They don't make this character notable in a qualitative sense, nor do they provide readers with any meaningful information. I can see how this character could be mentioned as part of what made the game notable. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Nearly all of the reception is trivial. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is about equal support for Merge and Keep (though Merge has the advantage). Clearly no consensus to Delete this article, just a decision to be made on what should happen next.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.