The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TCM Underground (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Violates WP:NOT#DIR criteria, page is simply a broadcast guide for a specific cable operator program. This page has no encyclopedic interest, even as part of Turner Classic Movies main article. It might also be considered promotional in the sense that we're mirroring content from the broadcast schedule of TCM which is easily available on their site. David Spalding ^Talk/_Contribs 14:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge into Turner Classic Movies. I don't know what "this page has no encyclopedic interest" means, but the program merits a mention in the main TCM article, with a list of the movies it'll be showing (although we could lose the dates/times). | Mr. Darcy talk 15:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • (It does, BTW. :-) ) David Spalding ^Talk/_Contribs

In October 2006 the network premiered a new late-night series hosted by rocker/filmmaker Rob Zombie called "TCM Underground," which features a number of cult films personally selected by Zombie. Films in the series include Plan 9 from Outer Space (1959), Night of the Living Dead (1968), and Electra Glide in Blue (1973).

— Turner Classic Movies, (as of 2006-11-25)

*Delete Wikipedia is not a TV guide. A simular article containing a Friends TV schedule was recently deleted. MartinDK 15:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge the introduction into the Turner Classic Movies article but remove the schedule, it probably may not break copyright (as a number of TV/radio schedules I have seen have done), but then again, Wikipedia is not a TV Guide as per WP:NOT#DIR. --tgheretford (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment When I embarked upon creating an article thereon wearily after seeing Ray Dennis Steckler's Wild Guitar, I knew somebody would eventually mark it with AfD since I'm more used to creating articles on Sci Fi's programming blocks as S.C.I.F.I. World, The Animation Station or their staff in charge of programming and this, seemingly, didn't make the cut as an article on Sci Fi Channel's marathons did. Quite frankly, this TCM Underground is something new and has definitely garnered a considerable degree of attention from such peoples as Variety *, horror/cult film aficionados and TCM fans (with whom purists seem to object to this paradigm shift to broadening its audience/appealing). Not only is it new, but certainly shall be continuing as provided through the TCM '06-'07 programming slate and has received a listing on the IMDb, so thus I myself would withdraw from deleting since similar articles can be created on TCM: The Essentials or their Guest Programming specials: if they happen to have enough information to make them noteworthy and my article for TCM Underground thus must be half-baked. DrWho42 18:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think your paragraph on the main page (I quoted it above for easy comparison) does it justice. I encourage you to keep it up to date. ~Dbs

• Strong delete per nom. Wiki is not a TV Guide ! Tulkolahten 17:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. While on the cusp of sufficient notability, it is a real television series and has received at least some coverage in the mainstream press. -- Satori Son 14:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark 01:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - Initially I'm inclined to think that it may have been created a bit early, though it does warrant mention in both the TCM and Rob Zombie articles. However with nearly 40,000 [[1]] this seems to be genrating a lot of buzz considering that it hasn't even been out for a month yet. I may be persuaded to change my vote, but right now I don't see any reason not to have an article. wtfunkymonkey 05:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 05:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete per Tulkolahten. Nashville Monkey 11:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into Turner Classic Movies. Gzkn 12:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a nationally broadcast television program with a very large audience. No particular need to merge, so why duplicate the content across two articles? ArmAndLeg 21:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment -- Now that the schedule has been removed, it's just a paragraph ... and almost the exact same paragraph exists in the Turner Classic Movies page (see my qoute above). My point being, it's already been merged. I also question "very large audience," has this been documented by a third party (not TCM)? — David Spalding ^ta!k y@wp/_Contribs 23:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per arguments already mentioned. WMMartin 16:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.