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The result was keep. Less Unless (talk) 05:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 36 Crazy Fists[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NFILM. Tagged for notbility.

PROD removed with "Deprodded, feat. J. Chan", but notability isn't inherited WP:NOTINHERITED. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Martial arts, China, and Hong Kong. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Being a Jackie Chan movie doesn't make it inherently notable WP:NOTINHERITED Nswix (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the fact that it is a J. Chan curiosity is a plus. Found this review that underlines the originality of the fillm. — MY OH MY! 18:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ This doesn't meet any of the notability criteria at WP:NFILM. Having Jackie Chan appear in the prologue doesn't show WP notability nor does a single review by an unknown author on a site of dubious reliability where anyone can submit an article. Also, there's no evidence of meeting WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 18:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't access the Chinese sources and the English ones do not convince me of notability (some are about the band), but Cunard's efforts are enough to convince me that it might meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Chinese-language sources:
  1. "三十六迷形拳: 影片介绍" [The 36 Crazy Fists: film introduction]. Shin Min Daily News (in Chinese). 1980-08-09. p. 9. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  2. "二十六迷形拳" [The 36 Crazy Fists]. Nanyang Siang Pau (in Chinese). 1980-08-08. p. 36. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  3. "卅六迷形拳" [The 36 Crazy Fists]. Nanyang Siang Pau (in Chinese). 1990-08-19. p. 32. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  4. "三十六迷形拳" [The 36 Crazy Fists]. Sin Chew Daily (in Chinese). 1990-08-08. p. 25. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
2. English-language sources:
  1. Valentin, Albert (2004). "The 36 Crazy Fists: Chan Teams With Brothers of Legendary Stars". In Cooper, Richard (ed.). More 100% Jackie Chan: The Essential Companion Volume 2. London: Titan Books. pp. 27–29. ISBN 978-1-84023-888-4. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via Internet Archive.
    The book provides three pages of coverage about the subject. The book notes: "Despite fans avoiding the film because it is not a Jackie Chan picture, the fights show some of that Chan-esque comedy that would be seen in his later and earlier work. The cast of fighters, from Tony Leung Siu-hung to Yen Shi-kwan were not good in acting, but their fighting skills made up for it. Ku Feng even provided some of the comedy that would be like Chan in films like Young Master and Dragon Lord. Despite what the cover says, Jackie did not direct the film. He was only the Kung-fu Director. Furthermore, he wasn't the star. Nevertheless, the film is still an enjoyable film to watch in my opinion, if you want to see some early work from Chan and his stars, Tony Leung Siu-hung and Jimmy Liu Chia-yung.
  2. Humes, Pete (2004-08-19). "Public-Service Announcement". Richmond Times-Dispatch. Archived from the original on 2023-03-13. Retrieved 2023-03-13.
    The article notes: "First of all, "36 Crazy Fists" is a 1977 martial-arts movie about a son avenging his father's death at the hands of evil gangsters. Though Jackie Chan is featured on the cover of the DVD, he is not in the movie (he was only the fight coordinator). 36 Crazy Fists also happens to be the name of a hard-core band from Portland, Ore."
  3. Baret, Nathalie (2008-02-29). "36 Crazyfists comes out of the wilds of frigid Alaska". Albuquerque Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-03-13. Retrieved 2023-03-13.
    The article notes: "Drawing from their surroundings, members of the four-piece hardcore band, which named themselves after the Jackie Chan movie "The 36 Crazy Fists" when it formed in 1994, don't make music that typically fits into today's metal scene."
  4. Karnick, S.T. (2000-06-26). "Chan's Noodle Western". The Washington Times. Archived from the original on 2023-03-13. Retrieved 2023-03-13.
    The article notes: "Such ingenuity is typical of Chan's films. His 1980 directorial debut, The 36 Crazy Fists, was the first martial-arts film to combine action and comedy effectively, and Chan's incredible inventiveness with action scenes long ago earned him the nickname "the Buster Keaton of martial arts.""
  5. Witterstaetter, Renée (1997). Dying for Action: The Life and Films of Jackie Chan. New York: Warner Books. ISBN 978-0-446-57003-9. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via Google Books.
    The book notes: "The 36 Crazy Fists (1979). Choreographer. Note that a poor-quality "documentary" exists of a chain-smoking Jackie choreographing this movie. Not worth your time if there is money involved. If you can view it for free, go for it."
  6. Corcoran, John (2003). The Unauthorized Jackie Chan Encyclopedia: From Project A to Shanghai Noon and Beyond. New York: McGraw Hill Education. p. 136. ISBN 0-07-138899-0. Retrieved 2023-03-13 – via Internet Archive.
    The book notes that the alternate titles are Blood Pact, Jackie Chan's Bloodpact (U.S.), and Master and the Boxer. The book notes that the genre is martial arts comedy and partial documentary (The Making of 36 Crazy Fists). The book notes that the year of release is 1979; the cast is Cha-Yung Liu, Feng Ku, and Pei Chin; the director is Chi-Hwa Chen; the JC Credit is stunt coordinator; and the location is Hong Kong.
    The book notes: "JC only choreographed the action for this forgettable movie about an orphaned youth who learns kung-fu from monks to avenge his father's death. Without JC's permission, the unscrupulous producers compiled a behind-the-scenes documentary about the making of this movie and released it as a "Jackie Chan" film.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The 36 Crazy Fists (Chinese: 三十六迷形拳) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 00:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified above including a book source that has 3 pages about the film so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 01:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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