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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Kevin Trudeau Show[edit]

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A PROD tag was removed without apparent improvement, and the article's creator (and tag's remover) has the same title as the website associated with this programme, indicating conflict of interest. There are no reliable sources to denote any notability -- a Google search reveals large amounts of self-promotion but nothing in the way of objective assessment that I could locate. There are some impressive claims of circulation for a self-published book by the show's host, but that doesn't especially contribute to any notability for this programme. The book itself would probably fall under our fringe theory policy. In addition, I found suggestions that the individual at the centre of all this has been indicted for fraud; that may or may not be the case, but I urge everyone commenting to be sure of the accuracy of their sources. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Simply a non-notable Internet talk show with an extreme WP:COI. All of Kevin Trudeau's various projects (and dodging of FTC regulations against him, which is likely one of the few reasons this internet show even exists) are detailed in his own BLP article so there's no need for any merges. Nate • (chatter) 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since this vote I have found out it does air on radio, but only a few small radio stations which specialize in brokered programming (as in Trudeau pays to put it on). Jango1077 has taken to the Trudeau article to add a promotional POV about the show despite my attempts to maintain NPOV, Nate • (chatter) 05:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. One big advertisement about a non-notable show, and COI is an understatement. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 05:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I have to disagree. How is this wikipedia page "one big advertisement" when it contains factual information? Who decides what is "notable" or "non-notable"? Are you sure that your personal opinions of Kevin Trudeau are not clouding your judgment on whether a syndicated radio show by a best selling author is worthy of a wikipedia page? Jango1077 —Preceding undated comment added 18:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

• • Comment Absolutely sure, thanks; I have no personal opinion about Mr. Trudeau whatsoever, and have apparently understated the suggestions of conflict of interest, according to another editor expressing himself above. Besides, we're not talking about him personally, we're talking about a radio show. As far as "who decides what is notable or non-notable", those are community standards that have been established by the efforts of a large group of editors over a period of about five years; you can find notability standards at this link, to start with. If you have further questions about the basic nature of Wikipedia articles, you can start by looking at WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? Accounting4Taste:talk 20:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment I reviewed your articles, thanks. Since Kevin has had very high profile guests on his show and he's quite famous due to his best selling books, the show is notable and therefore deserves it's own page. Is there a problem with stating factual data so people can find more information on this show? The show is similar to the show Alex Jones broadcasts and yet that show has it's own page. Jango1077'
    • Not necessarily. Having notable guests on his show doesn't automatically make him notable. Please read WP:INHERITED. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 07:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • While you're at it, given your Alex Jones argument, also read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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