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The result was no consensus; although I was quite impressed - in light of the off-wiki discussion - at the level of policy-based debate that occured in this debate, I was unable to determine a solid concensus. - Daniel.Bryant 10:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Theocracy (band)[edit]

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Does not currently meet WP:N standards, specifically WP:MUSIC/WP:BAND. I had let this go for awhile hoping for more content on notability, but have not seen any. Within the past day, I placed an ((importance)) tag on the page. This was removed along with an edit summary of to "please do not put this tripe on here again." I felt that a WP:PROD tag would meet with the same hostility, so I have listed for deletion to gain other peoples opinions whether this should stay. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 06:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Positive: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], #26 on Victory Zine's top 70 songs: [7], [8], [9]

Negative: [10], not so much negative as not really positive: [11], and that's all I came across in 10 pages of Googling. . .

  • Comment Moeron you do realize that WP:MUSIC does say "Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted", I think enough proof of the bands notabiltiy has been established, even if they barely would make it under the policy (which is greatly biased towards commercial music which this band is obviously not). When you put it all into perspective the band is clearly notable enough to be on wikipedia. I don't really see what you are trying to prove here, nor do I see how this is beneficial to the project.--E tac 10:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Hey there! Oh, yeah, I do realize that, but the policy that preceeds WP:MUSIC is WP:N. "Commerical music" may be biased in your opinion on Wikipedia, but there are many bands that aren't like that that pass notability, such as those that have played ProgPower such as one of my favorite bands, Sonata Arctica. Theocracy just isn't there yet. What, specifically, is the proof here? I have already mentioned above why playing at ProgPower doesn't exclusively make them notable in-and-of itself. As for the magazine, that is one source. There should be multiple sources, as per WP:N and WP:V. Also, please WP:AGF; I am not here on a WP:POINT and never have in my nearly 12,000 edits. I am just trying to make Wikipedia better; everything can't be on Wikipedia and must adhere to the WP:FIVE. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 18:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Again, don't overuse shortcuts to policy and guidelines to win your argument. An above user also mentioned they have also been reviewed by a well known music critic. Just because something isn't online doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am sure it could be properley sourced. Also what about this section in WP:MUSIC, Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city. It is rather vague isn't it? How many other Christian Power metal bands from that area are there? How many of them are on magazine covers and recieving any type of coverage at all? How many are playing in the largest prog/power festival in the western hemisphere as one user mentioned above?--E tac 22:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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