- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was delete. -- Drini 04:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The lack of details about when Mr. Lowang and his associates existed led me to suspect, some months ago, that they didn't. Attempts by a fellow Wikipedian to verify the details given have uncovered a xanga.com page which further persuades us that this is an elaborate hoax....
- "Steadfast history fanatics should also recognize that Tiberius Lowang was not in any factual documents or chronicles of any kind. His genesis can be traced back to the fateful year of 2001, when Shang Tsung emerged from shadow realm and transmogrified to the "tyrant" he is today." [1]
Unless somebody knows better, I'd say that this is just somebody's fantasy, presented as fact. Delete. TheMadBaron 16:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I am also nominating the following related pages for the reasons given above:
* Abo-Teni
* Hadi Shwaarz
* Jeuhli Khorvho
* Loukwagnotopa
* Mishyelha
* Sarghai Uluianaar
* Safyen Shaali
et al...
However, picking through all these pages, I see that there does at least seem to be some evidence that the Donyi-Polo religion exists.... [2]
It's very difficult to tell if this is just something that somebody's recently made up, or a centuries old mythology, now so obscure that it's exactly the sort of thing that Wikipedia should be preserving.
If anyone can provide citations for any of this stuff, I will withdraw the nominations and refer the whole thing for cleanup.
TheMadBaron 16:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep for Abo Teni only. Donyi Polo is well referenced, but doesn't reference this. I can only find this http://www.oocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/7434/AP.htm for Abo Teni ... but that, plus WP:AGF, is something. Hoaxes tend to be, well, hoaxier than this. But this is a very weak keep, and only for that one. AnonEMouse 14:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I've now found more sources, in Wikipedia and elsewhere, for Abo-Teni (sometimes spelled Abo-Tani, redirected accordingly) as the primal ancestor in Donyi-Polo, and so I have to concur with AnonEMouse. Assuming good faith, I'm now inclined to keep (and help to clean up) the other articles too. TheMadBaron 18:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but give citations. I have read about these mantras, and they do exist in the Donyi-Polo religion. As you can see, Donyi-Polo is a relatively remote religion which the world knows little about it. Give it sometime, and see on how we can get references. Or get reference to the existence of the Donyi-Polo mantras--that will be the ultimate reference. Perhaps you all can browse through the external links at Donyi-Polo--so well written, really a pity to delete it off.
Anyway, I have also given the existence of the anthropologists who discovered the existence of the traditional legendary deities on articles related to Donyi-Polo figures in wikipedia.Mr Tan 16:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete as HOAX all except Abo Teni (which requires more external links and also to be cleansed of hoax references). There are strong indications that the other articles are a hoax. No dates - even vague ones - in the articles. External links found in some articles do not support the articles' content. All the suspect articles except Abo Teni were created by similar IP addresses in June 2005. The hoaxer appears to be an Ohio based delinquent who uses the User name Lowang both on wikipedia and the name "Tiberius Lowang" on urbandictionary.com. The wikipedia user page explains that the name came from two video games. This is the worst kind of vandal hoaxer. Terminate with extreme prejudice. Bwithh 23:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. See the articles of Gakhars and Abo Teni. These articles also stated the names of other Donyi-Polo "figures" in addition to Lowang, and their stories are purpotedly "found" by archaeologists (names stated in Mishyelha). To be fair, and not just draw a blind conclusion that this is a hoax, perhaps we can contact him [3] (or the contact particulars) provided by you all, before deleting them? We need to gather sufficient evidence that they are all hoaxes. But for now, I can't forsee sufficient shown evidence, just by saying that we can't find the details on the rest of the internet and seeing that the nam Tiberius Lowang coincides with characters found in games.
Furthermore, from the history [4], the two annoyomous users contributed the Tibetan name. In the west, like we people, only a few individuals can contribute in Tibetan. This piece of contribution makes me inclined to believe that this might be genuine.
The main aim, is to gather someone who is familiar about the Donyi-Polo mantras, and speak out with strong and sufficient evidence that these figures are real in Donyi-Polo. Otherwise, we can interrogate the suspect. What do you all think? Mr Tan 11:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.