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The result was speedy delete created by a sock of a blocked editor. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:46, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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POV fork from Unite the Right rally which gives undue weight to one person's opinions on a riot Darkness Shines (talk) 12:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep It's rudimentary now, but it'll fill out. The weight of this stuff is more undue tacked onto the bottom half of a topic to which it's only tangentially connected than spread out on its own framework, linked to from the complementary article. People looking to read or write about a chaotic racial rally can focus on that, while people interested in presidential study can get as verbose and deep into that as they want, unconstrained by space. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (merge/redirect is unnecessary, as content already appears in the article Unite the Right rally). Strongly disagree with the notion that the president's reactions to the Unite the Right rally and "only tangentially connected" to the Unite the Right rally — that doesn't make any sense to me. The reaction of state and national leaders are of course inseparable from what occurred. Neutrality^talk 13:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A leader reacting is no problem. Happens in hundreds of these articles. Usually a good-sized paragraph, or sometimes a few more if a few reactions (condolences, assistance, new law). But no matter how many, it should pertain to the event. When various people start reacting to the reaction instead, the extra degree of separation makes that stuff tangential. If the leader re-reacts to the reactors, who react him right back, the debate by that point has general notability of its own and starts to overshadow the title event (though retitling the spin-off to include all reactions is probably better; a few had nothing to do with Trump and more might follow). InedibleHulk (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree. Sometimes the reaction to the response is critically important to understanding the event and its implications; I think that in such cases, both the reaction and the response to it are encyclopedic. Neutrality^talk 18:50, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Delete – Are we going to create a WP:CONTENTFORK article about each tweet and each public statement of the US president? Document his reactions in the main article, and be done with it. — JFG ^talk 14:50, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete - does not warrant an article on its own, is duplicating information already in Unite the Right rally. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Redirect to Unite the Right rally. Where this material already exists, in detail.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Obvious WP:POVFORK.- MrX 18:41, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The 2017 Unite the Right rally thoroughly covers the president's response to the violence, making this WP:UNDUE and an obvious WP:POVFORK.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The section is getting unwieldy; and I did state that splitting this off would be better. In addition, given the lack of precedent on this matter, insofar as the multiple press conferences are concerned, I feel that cramming it all into one article will, no doubt, cause length and readability issues. However, the title of the page, referring to "[s]peeches" is wholly incorrect, and clearly a WP:POVFORK; the lack of precedent, in addition, requires that the President's responses be covered in detail (which they are, already, in the rally article). In addition, those responses (and the repercussions of said responses, including additional reactions) are entirely germane to the original article. As such, I must go for deletion. Javert2113 (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I believe there needs to be a separate article concerning the Trump controversy, surrounding his dud comments, as well as comments sympathetic to the white nationalists. His statements at this point could arguably be considered more significant than the riot itself, considering the unprecedented blowback. Therefore, I would approve of this article being deleted, on the condition that a new one is created that concerns a broader scope to his controversy. The speeches just don't cut it. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 21:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge. Seriously? This is getting beyond ridiculous. We don't need a separate content fork article for everything Donald does. Unite the Right rally does well enough in covering this topic, including both Trump's reactions to the rally and the reactions to the reactions. In case there is something of value in this article that isn't in others, just merge it with Unite the Right rally. NoMoreHeroes (talk) 00:36, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The specifics of the speeches themselves can be covered, and are covered, in the main Unite the Right rally article. Details about Trump's presidency including the fallout from these speeches and other events of his presidency should be included in Presidency of Donald Trump. --Crunch (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The content is treated adequately in Unite the Right rally, no need to fork. WWGB (talk) 00:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep and rename: This article could be the start of a deeper analysis on Trump's awkward relationship with extreme Alt-Right moments in the USA.Conrad Kilroy (talk) 06:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Already sufficiently covered at the main article. AIRcorn (talk) 11:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep With 3 separate speeches that have generated a lot of controversy, it should remain a separate article from the article of the event itself]. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 12:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Re-purpose The entire reactions section at the Unite the Right rally article is getting long. Split off a Reactions to the Unite the Right rally, and include a condensed section for Trump's pontifications. ValarianB (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete POV fork created by a user banned for sock-puppetry. Power~enwiki (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.