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The result was redirect to Dynamo Dresden#Supporters. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ultras Dynamo[edit]

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promo, fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 15:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Dynamo Dresden#Supporters as likely search term; not independently notable. Giant Snowman 12:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dynamo Dresden#Supporters as likely search term; not independently notable. I agree with GiantSnowman.--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: The chronology is too big for a section of the article Dynamo Dresden. If you would put this article into an other you must do the same with all other ultra group articles.--Conformuser (talk) 19:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a problem for me to show the situation of the real Eastgerman soccer fans. Iam planning to create the Ultras Dynamo article and the pre Ultras Dynamo era during the 1990'ers and GDR. But if you want to have the informations mixed within the sports matter it would disturb the readers. You are having the Dynamo Dresden template and Categories. If you want to write about the fans of the Dynamo Dresden club, you need an extra article for ultras, fans and hooligans of Dynamo Dresden. It would being not true, if you would say the Dynamo Dresden hooligans, ultras and fans are the same, because the fans are peaceful children or families or vip... . 4:1 The next problem is: You are having none DSL internet connection in whole Saxony as well and therefore the most peoples are doing not using the internet here. It is true that English is not my mother language. And I was cheated by teachers with confusing reasons what is still the problem to have the ideal grammar.--Conformuser (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

90% of your article is pure fancruft and can be removed nwithout trouble. / 90% der Artikel ist reine fancruft und kann ruhig entfernt werden. The Banner talk 20:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC) Nicht deutsch, aber niederländisch-irischen.[reply]

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (The club Dynamo Dresden makes headlines with their Ultras and hooligans for decades or by huge choreographs, and pyro shows and has a lot of members. ) --Conformuser (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC) It totally nonsense that after the match today, Westgerman spies here want to delete this article, with over 150 sources from Media in Germany and a lot of interest for this ultra group, fan utensils by Ultra Dynamo. It is a clearly discrimination against groups, due on every other ultra-, hooligan, or fan group from Oriental societies you can find articles in Wikipedia, with less or even none interest. Even about an article for an Oriental Ultra club for an unknown soccer club. You can even find articles for only private persons. The reason is that this one person is a normal priest. Conformuser (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC) If you will delete this article (which is finished in perfectly English), you must delete also all other ultra group articles (mostly with less information, only grounding dates and locations, logos) on Wikipedia (the free censorship encyclopedia). It is not a fan view, but a chronology! And this is allowed; and I used real sources. Iam writing none fairy tales! Hard stuff. THe fans, ultras and hooligans are forming the club and not the state with his chosen players for a short time!! You can not understand Dynamo Dresden without thousands of ultras!!!!!! Forza!!!!--Conformuser (talk) 19:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - Per above, perring through the hundred you tube links, there does seem to be some reliably sourced information from decent German sources, but the article is overly long, written like a fan page and the useful information can readily be contained within a couple of paragraphs in the club article. Fenix down (talk) 07:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stay. It is wrong and not true again, if you are calling Youtube sources not interesting. A source is a video, photo, document, book. It is not right that here in this article are being over 100!! At this moment the article has exactly 39 Youtube sources. Youtube means video portal. And this videos are not faked. It is not real what you are talking. That are your hopes. Your next untrue hope is that this article would being a written fan view. I repeat: I t i s a c h r o n o l o g y . On opposite what is written there has real taken place and is only sourced by following news agencies Financial Times, ZDF, Sächsische Zeitung, Bild, Morgenpost, RTL, Die Welt, Die Zeit, Deutsche Welle, Dresdner Neueste Nachrichten, Focus, Spiegel. That are stories from reports and none fan views that you can read: "I was there and was so happy to watch...." And these journalists are professional, state conform and I wrote only reports from these in a nutshell into a chronology. Over thousands of Wikipedia articles are being longer than UD. Conformuser (talk) 12:11, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And UD is a own and other club and is supporting two other soccer clubs. Conformuser (talk) 12:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Iam not against democrazy but you have not the right to offend against Wikipedia guidelines, within of votes. It is not the right thing.Conformuser (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So it would look as redirected long article

--Conformuser (talk) 19:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: content (pro-forma merged article) removed as being too disruptive to this and other current AfDs. Full version can be seen in this version. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 03:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect (notional merge). The above attempt at merger presupposes that all the content of the Dynamos article is encyclopaedic and worth keeping, but that is a false premise. Much of it only caters to fans, but they already know where to find all this information. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 02:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not true, due others are may use the extra article about ultras with categories and templates. Your untrue hopes. That is all what you can. And it is still a violation against Wikipedia guidelines. About normal Dynamo Dresden fans you may only write about statistics, because they are having normal behaviors. And what you don not know again is: ultras, hooligans, fans are having a clear difference. The next is, the article is written about Ultras Dynamo und is is a clear discrimination that normal families, friends which are getting tickets for the stadium are being the same like ultras. Otherwise you are hoping to say that all peoples of Dresden are being ultras, hooligans, nazis. That is your goal, to have more economically success for your state. Unfair. That is what you are calling clarity. All are would do the same. The next problem is you are hoping and wishing that would not being good enough for your Wikipedia niveau. Look on your own. --Conformuser (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The next is that this chronology would being wrong within the Dynamo Dresden article, due the club Dynamo Dresden has none responsibility for Ultras Dynamo after German law it is autonomous and is supporting two other clubs. About fans you must begin since 1953, which is uninteresting due the normal fan behaviors at this time. The Ultras Dynamo had been founded in 2000 and not in 1953. That is a huge difference. They did change the fans of Dynamo Dresden and had begun a new era not for 5 or 10 but for media and thousands. An ultra is a fan who is using violence, propaganda (internet, videos) is visiting all matches for several clubs, calls the shots in the stadium for the fans, with banners, fence flags,... . A normal fan is a simple visitor or tourist and is at the same club for a time. A hooligan is from certain clubs and is organizing meetings for fights and is mostly interested for riots and wears often none fan utensil. The next is: The Ultras Dynamo will exist more than a few decades. If you are having a soccer club in Germany it will exist for at least 80 years. It is not such as in the USA where a club is closed after 6 years again. The article would be too long in 2020. The founder years for soccer clubs are gone in Germany. Therefore you must create extra articles for Ultras Dynamo, Hooligans Dynamo, Dynamo Dresden Fans. That is my goal. But I waste my time.--Conformuser (talk) 13:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fancruft. Wieso bleibt Ihr nicht bei eurem Fanzine? Webseite habt ihr auch, das muß reichen. Es muß nicht jedes Fan-Projekt auf Wikipedia. Eure Wahrnehmung in der Öffentlichkeit ist noch nicht einmal Deutschlandweit , in der englischsprachigen Welt gibt es euch gar nicht. --Ben Ben (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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