The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. The result of the discussion was Approved.

Operator: Magioladitis (talk)

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Programming Language(s): AWB

Function Summary:

• Task 7: Moving Category:Place of birth missing, Category:Place of birth missing (living people), Category:Place of death missing, Category:Place of death unknown, Category:Date of death unknown from non-talk pages to Talk pages.
• Task 8: If the page is not a talk page replace Category:Date of birth unknown with Category:Year of birth unknown.
• Task 9:Tagging people who died as "living=no" (This will be done by working in Category:xxxx deaths) and those are alive as "living=yes" (This will be done only by working in Category:Year of birth missing (living people) and nowhere else)
• Task 10: Replace ((BD)) with ((BIRTH-DEATH-SORT)) ((Lifetime)) or substitute it completely.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Periodically

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Function Details:

I already have ran tasks 7-9 making thousands of edits. Task 7 and 8 are just a normal expand of tasks already done. Task 9 will run only in the categories given above.

The reason I added Task 10 is because there was a consensus against "BD". This template suffix -SORT so as to clue in editors that it embeds and replaces DEFAULTSORT, making it very dangerous about its function. Right now at about 20,000 are using it. Of course, I would prefer to complete subst this template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

For task 10 both of those template redirect to ((Lifetime)). BJ^Talk 22:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I can change BD to Lifetime. I think BIRTH-DEATH-SORT has to change as well. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Approved for trial (50 edits). Please provide a link to the relevant contributions and/or diffs when the trial is complete. for Task 9, eye towards approving all four. MBisanz ^talk 11:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean Task 10? I did 50 trials for Task 10 by substituting BD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I did 50 trial for task 9 by pressing Save manually. Task 9 can't be tested automatically right now because Kingbotk AWB Plugin has a problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point of task 10? Its replacing a redirect with another redirect. If it is done, it should replace it with the target template, and only if its doing something else on the page (per Wikipedia:R#NOTBROKEN) unless there is a plan to repurpose ((BD)) for use as something else (which would warrant replacing all existing uses). Mr.Z-man 03:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BD must be orphaned and deleted as a redirect because it's hiding DEFAULTSORT from its name. It was a discussion about that and the reason we changed the name from BD to Lifetime. We already have deleted it from the manual of Lifetime as a valid redirect. In my test edits I completely subst BD, not just renamed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, this discussion inspired me to write rev:43077, which, once it goes live, ought to reduce the potential problems with this or other similar templates. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trial complete. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Approved. Mr.Z-man 17:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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